clifford_thornton Posted February 6, 2017 Report Posted February 6, 2017 Having listened to Mats live and on record since the late 1990s, I'm positive he can. Quote
JSngry Posted February 6, 2017 Report Posted February 6, 2017 Whenever somebody asks if somebody can "carry a tune" or some such, it's more than fair to ask the if they would be able to recognized it if said tune was in fact carried. A lot of times, people complaining about faulty output are really suffering from limited input mechanisms. Besides, why are "tunes" supposed to be "carried"? Or "bars" supposed to be "raised"? That's, like, a labor/management metaphor. Quote
l p Posted February 6, 2017 Report Posted February 6, 2017 he likes little richard, and has great facial expressions at photo shoots, so he's ok by me. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted February 6, 2017 Report Posted February 6, 2017 2 hours ago, JSngry said: Whenever somebody asks if somebody can "carry a tune" or some such, it's more than fair to ask the if they would be able to recognized it if said tune was in fact carried. A lot of times, people complaining about faulty output are really suffering from limited input mechanisms. Quote
corto maltese Posted February 8, 2017 Report Posted February 8, 2017 Wonderful pictures! The number of records is really not important, but Mat's collection (strictly vinyl) is extraordinarily deep in non-mainstream jazz and "off-the-beaten-track" music. Quote
Big Beat Steve Posted February 8, 2017 Report Posted February 8, 2017 1 hour ago, corto maltese said: Wonderful pictures! The number of records is really not important, but Mats' collection (strictly vinyl) is extraordinarily deep in non-mainstream jazz and "off-the-beaten-track" music. Agreed. The depth of his tastes is impressive, particularly since he really goes out of his way to obtain what he really is after. OTOH the notion of "mainstream" or "non-mainstream" is a very relative one these days, it seems. In my collection the Louis Jordan LPs, for example, outnumber the John Coltrane LPs by about 10 to 1, and the Stan Kenton vs Trane ratio might even be some 15 or 20 to 1. So by the standards of a lot of THIS forum's "typical" ("mainstream"? ) jazz record collections, mine might look like a decidedly non-mainstream one. Luckily tastes and priorities differ so there's room and space for everyone when it comes to browsing the record racks and sales lists. Quote
JSngry Posted February 8, 2017 Report Posted February 8, 2017 5 hours ago, Big Beat Steve said:  Luckily tastes and priorities differ so there's room and space for everyone when it comes to browsing the record racks and sales lists. More records than time, I'm beginning to feel. More to learn about than time to learn it. Quote
kh1958 Posted February 8, 2017 Report Posted February 8, 2017 Your Trane/Kenton ratio should be at least 25/1. Your Trane/Louis Jordan ratio should be at least 15/1. Your Ellington/Kenton ratio should be at least 50/1. These are only suggested ratios; sometimes variances are permitted with the prior consent of the committee on jazz ratios..  Quote
Big Beat Steve Posted February 8, 2017 Report Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, kh1958 said: Your Trane/Kenton ratio should be at least 25/1. Your Trane/Louis Jordan ratio should be at least 15/1. Your Ellington/Kenton ratio should be at least 50/1. These are only suggested ratios; sometimes variances are permitted with the prior consent of the committee on jazz ratios..  The committee is still out (and won't be let back in) ... P.S: My Ellington/Kenton ratio is almost 2/1. That sounds a bit better, at least as far as Ellington is concerned? Edited February 8, 2017 by Big Beat Steve Quote
kh1958 Posted February 8, 2017 Report Posted February 8, 2017 35 minutes ago, Big Beat Steve said: The committee is still out (and won't be let back in) ... P.S: My Elltington/Kenton ratio is almost 2/1. That sounds a bit better, at least as far as Ellington is concerned? Yes, as long as that particular ratio is greater than 1/1, I can testify in support of your sanity in a court of law. Quote
JSngry Posted February 8, 2017 Report Posted February 8, 2017 Â Â I can see buying a lot of Stan Kenton records. One never knows what one will end up with. Then again, blessing/curse/etc. Either way, I don't know if "sanity" should even be a baseline expectation, you go looking for "sanity" here, there's no fun to be had. You go looking for a never-ending failed quest for sanity, hey, there's no boundaries, and I'd be a liar if I said that isn't fun sometimes. Not always, but just...set reality-based expectations and watch from afar. Good times. Â Quote
l p Posted February 9, 2017 Report Posted February 9, 2017 On 2/4/2017 at 7:27 AM, JSngry said: the people I run into who are less likely to dig a Little Richard record are the "formal jazz"Â The thing is, though...it's all good, really. Or at least it all CAN be good. Should be good. there are plenty of discriminating non-jazz listeners who realize that little richard is a waste of space. listen to the beach boys for a few days. then you can come back and tell us about how 'it's all good'. Â Quote
Big Beat Steve Posted February 9, 2017 Report Posted February 9, 2017 See? There we go ... Tastes differ and the lines very often are not even drawn betwen the Beach Boys and Little Richard. By the same yardstick that you hint at one might say '"Albert Ayler is a waste of space. Listen to some Billie Holiday for a few days, then you can come back and tell us about how "its all good". The "discriminating" criteria that you suppose there are just are NOT there. There is no universal, overriding truth in these fields of music.  Quote
clifford_thornton Posted February 9, 2017 Report Posted February 9, 2017 Little Richard is AWESOME. Quote
JSngry Posted February 9, 2017 Report Posted February 9, 2017 Little Richard, Beach Boys, Ayler, Billie...nothing in that list to avoid afaic. Waste of space, no. Shortage of space, getting there. Quote
Big Beat Steve Posted February 9, 2017 Report Posted February 9, 2017 31 minutes ago, JSngry said: Shortage of space, getting there. Â Â Quote
clifford_thornton Posted February 9, 2017 Report Posted February 9, 2017 Totally. I've become far less doctrinaire in my listening as I've aged, and I think part of that is due to this message board... which I hope would find a lot of commonality with Mats' varied collection (I'm told by a shopowner who knows him that it is close to 15,000 pieces) if not his own playing. Quote
l p Posted February 9, 2017 Report Posted February 9, 2017 what i'm saying is that it's not all good. it's the same as saying that it's all bad. a person's opinion means nothing when they claim one or the other about almost anything in the arts. Quote
Big Beat Steve Posted February 9, 2017 Report Posted February 9, 2017 32 minutes ago, l p said: a person's opinion means nothing when they claim one or the other about almost anything in the arts. Including claims that it's "a waste of space", then. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted February 9, 2017 Report Posted February 9, 2017 You can learn a lot about art forms by exploring the margins, though. Quote
JSngry Posted February 9, 2017 Report Posted February 9, 2017 "It's all good" is an idiomatic expression that does not mean that it's "all" going to automatically be "good", much less excellent. Most shit ends up being excitingly mediocre to varying degrees. So no, it's not all literally good. And neither am I so hungry that I could eat a horse. Nor are my eyes bigger than my stomach. Nor have I ever had a day where everything goes wrong. And not having a valid baseline from which to measure, I am skeptical that I've ever felt like I've been hit by a truck or knocked down with a feather. It does, however, imply that good is anywhere you find it, which is not necessarily where you would think to reflexively look for it, especially not necessarily where one is externally steered to spend disposable income in search of it. So, if anything, consider it a corrective admonition to the sectarian fabulist orthodoxy. And don't ask me what "good" is, because all I'll tell you is what I think. You can have that for what it's worth, and here's change back from your penny! Quote
l p Posted February 9, 2017 Report Posted February 9, 2017 3 hours ago, JSngry said: "It's all good" is an idiomatic expression that does not mean that it's "all" going to automatically be "good", much less excellent. Most shit ends up being excitingly mediocre to varying degrees. So no, it's not all literally good.  ok. but if you're not sure, i can send you this beach boys hits compilation that i had when i was a kid... it made me hate them forever.  Quote
JSngry Posted February 9, 2017 Report Posted February 9, 2017 Hate all you want, but remember... Quote
l p Posted February 9, 2017 Report Posted February 9, 2017 what they love, like almost all other successful rock, pop, and country acts, is that they make a good living because the unsuspecting public is too lazy to search for real music, and instead have to be satisfied with whatever is thrown at them through the radio, mtv, and movie soundtracks. and all the money probably makes them think that they do have talent. Quote
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