Larry Kart Posted August 9, 2017 Report Posted August 9, 2017 2 hours ago, HutchFan said: I dunno, gents. I'm with you in one respect: I enjoy Woods' playing. Almost all of it. And I think his work in the 70s and 80s was -- at times -- particularly inspired. On most days, I'd probably prefer his playing during those years to his work in the 50's! But, on the other hand, I would hate to have a forum where people can't honestly express their opinions, right? Because, after all, that's what ALL of our musical judgments are. Larry and Jim don't like Woods' later work. Peter and Morganized (and I) do. As long as we keep things honest and respectful, there's "no harm, no foul," right? Some prime Woods from 1956 and before; the continuity of his thinking and the sense IMO that when he gets hot (as in his solo on “Walkin’”) the heat is an internal product of the evolution of the solo rather than a matter of the use/application of “hot” devices. (with Jon Eardley, 1954) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9ywsq07mnU (with George Wallington, 1956)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czFD6fpAaPc (with Quincy Jones, “A Sleepin’ Bee," 1956; dig the relaxed shapliness of Woods’ exit from the solo) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiVVRQ7Xb2Y (with Quincy Jones, “Walkin'," 1956; Woods enters at about 6:32) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPRFLIgHC98 Quote
Peter Friedman Posted August 9, 2017 Report Posted August 9, 2017 2 hours ago, Larry Kart said: Some prime Woods from 1956 and before; the continuity of his thinking and the sense IMO that when he gets hot (as in his solo on “Walkin’”) the heat is an internal product of the evolution of the solo rather than a matter of the use/application of “hot” devices. (with Jon Eardley, 1954) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9ywsq07mnU (with George Wallington, 1956)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czFD6fpAaPc (with Quincy Jones, “A Sleepin’ Bee," 1956; dig the relaxed shapliness of Woods’ exit from the solo) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiVVRQ7Xb2Y (with Quincy Jones, “Walkin'," 1956; Woods enters at about 6:32) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPRFLIgHC98 Many musicians have "devices", hot or otherwise, that they use in their solos. Sometimes they are pet phrases that the listener can find in a number of solos by that musician. Those familiar devices are what often makes it rather easy for the seasoned listener to identify the specific player. Currently listening to this one with Clark Terry, Willie Cook, Britt Woodman, Johnny Hodges, Paul Gonsalves, Harry Carney, Billy Taylor, Earl May, and Ed Thigpen Quote
Larry Kart Posted August 9, 2017 Report Posted August 9, 2017 Sure, many musicians have such devices, but IMO in the solos I linked to, and in many other Woods solos from that period, they were not so much, if at all, devices but organic outgrowths of Woods' on-going soloistic "argument." That they eventually became (and arguably in exaggerated form) devices for him is, as hear it, the problem. Quote
HutchFan Posted August 9, 2017 Report Posted August 9, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Larry Kart said: Some prime Woods from 1956 and before; the continuity of his thinking and the sense IMO that when he gets hot (as in his solo on “Walkin’”) the heat is an internal product of the evolution of the solo rather than a matter of the use/application of “hot” devices. (with Jon Eardley, 1954) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9ywsq07mnU (with George Wallington, 1956)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czFD6fpAaPc (with Quincy Jones, “A Sleepin’ Bee," 1956; dig the relaxed shapliness of Woods’ exit from the solo) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiVVRQ7Xb2Y (with Quincy Jones, “Walkin'," 1956; Woods enters at about 6:32) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPRFLIgHC98 I really dig all that stuff, Larry. You'll get no argument from me that Woods' early music is wonderful. I just like his later music too. I understand that it sounds self-conscious and forced to you. But it doesn't sound that way to me. NP: Jack Walrath - Hi Jinx (Stash) I've been on a Jack Walrath kick lately. It's been fun working my way through his discography. Edited August 9, 2017 by HutchFan Quote
JSngry Posted August 9, 2017 Author Report Posted August 9, 2017 When it comes to things Christlieb, make mine Don! As for both Woods & Pete C., they each made two of the most distinctive and memorable recorded saxophone solos of the Rock Era, and no, not everybody can do that. So, respect where due, no problem. Quote
HutchFan Posted August 9, 2017 Report Posted August 9, 2017 Prompted by a lovely outpouring of Bill Barron love on another thread: Bill Barron - Jazz Caper (Muse) Yeah. Quote
paul secor Posted August 10, 2017 Report Posted August 10, 2017 Lee Dorsey: Great Googa Mooga - CD1 - 1960 - 1968 Gave me a chance to hear my favorite Lee Dorsey side, "Holy Cow". Quote
HutchFan Posted August 10, 2017 Report Posted August 10, 2017 Speaking of Phil Woods . . . The Phil Woods Quartet - Birds of Feather (Antilles, rec. 1981) Quote
soulpope Posted August 10, 2017 Report Posted August 10, 2017 7 hours ago, HutchFan said: Prompted by a lovely outpouring of Bill Barron love on another thread: Bill Barron - Jazz Caper (Muse) Yeah. Agreed - top late(r) career recording .... Quote
JohnS Posted August 10, 2017 Report Posted August 10, 2017 (edited) Completely ignored the Jazz Crusaders back in the day. IIRC their records were not widely available over here but more likely I was much more interested in the exciting stuff going on the east coast at the time. Edited August 10, 2017 by JohnS Quote
kinuta Posted August 10, 2017 Report Posted August 10, 2017 The best album Aretha didn't make. Arif Mardin,same session musicians,really good material and Margie Joseph. Quote
soulpope Posted August 10, 2017 Report Posted August 10, 2017 3 hours ago, kinuta said: The best album Aretha didn't make. Arif Mardin,same session musicians,really good material and Margie Joseph. Interesting assessment - (IMO) overall her strongest effort on Atlantic .... Quote
HutchFan Posted August 10, 2017 Report Posted August 10, 2017 More Phil Woods: Phil Woods - Musique du bois (Muse, rec. 1974) with Jaki Byard, Richard Davis and Alan Dawson Quote
soulpope Posted August 10, 2017 Report Posted August 10, 2017 1 hour ago, HutchFan said: More Phil Woods: Phil Woods - Musique du bois (Muse, rec. 1974) with Jaki Byard, Richard Davis and Alan Dawson I dare to say that the impeccable Rhythm Section is the difference maker here .... Quote
alankin Posted August 10, 2017 Report Posted August 10, 2017 Fat Cat Big Band – Meditations On the War For Whose Great God is the Most High (Smalls Records) — Jade Synstelien: guitar, compositions, vocals; Phil Stewart: drums; Ben Meigners: bass; Jack Glottman: piano; Sharel Cassity: alto saxophone; Stacy Dillard: tenor saxophone; Geoff Vidal: tenor saxophone; Tatum Greenblatt: trumpet; Brandon Lee: trumpet; Jonathan Voltzok: trombone; Max Seigel: bass trombone Quote
Cyril Posted August 10, 2017 Report Posted August 10, 2017 feat. Rein de Graaff (piano), Jacques Schols (bass) & John Engels (drums) Quote
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