Teasing the Korean Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 (edited) I envision an alternate universe in which Mingus is lured to Hollywood in the late 1950s and is hired to score a crime/private eye drama. Imagine this as theme to M-Squad. This track could be great for chase scenes: This would be great for establishing shots of the concrete jungle. The passage beginning at around 1:10 would be great for a club scene with an exotic dancer. And this could work as a recurring theme for the private eye's love interest, especially if they have a complex relationship. Edited March 19, 2022 by Teasing the Korean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcy62 Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 (edited) It could acquire a marvelous bittersweet taste if we hire an old Alan Ladd as main character Edited March 19, 2022 by porcy62 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted March 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 1 minute ago, porcy62 said: It could acquire a marvelous bittersweet taste if we hire an old Alan Ladd as private eye It may be a little late for that, but then again, with AI and CGI, they will probably be able to do this in a few years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcy62 Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 Which contemporary actor could play such score? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted March 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 26 minutes ago, porcy62 said: Which contemporary actor could play such score? Don't know. But it would be really interesting if a contemporary composer with jazz chops arranged these Mingus compositions for a gumshoe film or TV show. You could even get away with Mingus's actual recordings if you edited them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcy62 Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 Brian Cranston maybe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted March 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 29 minutes ago, porcy62 said: Brian Cranston maybe Jon Hamm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 Yeah, "Boogie Stop Shuffle" was the one I thought of immediately when I saw the topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted March 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 The slow part of "Song with Orange" could be used for the protagonist in more introspective scenes. The mid-tempo part could portray him in action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 (edited) How much of this is due to Mingus’s roots as a third stream composer? FWIW in the liner notes to Mingus Dynasty he makes derogatory comments about film music but also implies that “Far Wells, Mill Valley” is inspired by it. Edited March 19, 2022 by Guy Berger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted March 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 32 minutes ago, Guy Berger said: How much of this is due to Mingus’s roots as a third stream composer? FWIW in the liner notes to Mingus Dynasty he makes derogatory comments about film music but also implies that “Far Wells, Mill Valley” is inspired by it. Great question, and I don't know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 If jazz became TV, what would be left for jazz to be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 I myself am glad we have the Mingus we have here not in TV production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milestones Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 An interesting "what if?" scenario. I can picture/hear Mingus' music being every bit as effective, if not more so, as John Lewis's score for Odds Against Tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted March 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, JSngry said: If jazz became TV, what would be left for jazz to be? Jazz already is TV. TV Action Jazz! is not only the greatest album title of all-time, but it is also in the running for the greatest LP of all time, trailing only slightly behind Jazz Heat, Bongo Beat. 16 minutes ago, jazzbo said: I myself am glad we have the Mingus we have here not in TV production. Mingus may have lived much longer if he had a steady day gig and health insurance. Then again, that didn't work for Oliver Nelson, did it? Edited March 19, 2022 by Teasing the Korean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 TV is a trailing indicator. Jazz today is too, but then, not much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Teasing the Korean said: Mingus may have lived much longer if he had a steady day gig and health insurance. Then again, that didn't work for Oliver Nelson. He might have lived longer, making a lot of drivel. Then again he probably would throw temper tantrums and become blacklisted and drink himself to death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 Business is almost by definition a trailing indicator. "Art", not so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted March 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 Just now, JSngry said: TV is a trailing indicator. Jazz today is too, but then, not much. I dunno. After around 50 years, TV finally came into its own in the post-Sopranos era. TV is in a good position to help jazz, and as we all agree, jazz in 2022 needs all the help it can get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 Help? As in euthanasia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted March 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 Just now, JSngry said: Business is almost by definition a trailing indicator. "Art", not so much. 1 minute ago, jazzbo said: He might have lived longer, making a lot of drivel. Then again he probably would throw temper tantrums and become blacklisted and drink himself to death. These kinds of distinctions are not as cut and dried as some may believe. If you believe that film music can't be "art," I would suggest that you spend some time with Jerry Goldsmith's Chinatown score. 2 minutes ago, JSngry said: Help? As in euthanasia? Well, there's that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 TV needs help too. I got fifty banillion stations and all the "new " shows are either the old shows perved out or else they OD on irony. Hell, society needs help. We're all hoping for the 20th century to somehow pick back up again in some form or fashion. Ain't gonna happen and time's a-waistin'. 12 minutes ago, Teasing the Korean said: Then again, that didn't work for Oliver Nelson. Oliver Nelson was a Marine. Charles Mingus wasn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted March 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 9 minutes ago, JSngry said: Oliver Nelson was a Marine. Charles Mingus wasn't. So his marine experience killed him instead of helping him survive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 I think his "always work" impulses drove him into the Marines, not the other way around. But I doubt that his Marine experience did anything to cause him to reconsider... Mingus was the rebellious son of a hardass ex-Army sergeant, so do the math on that one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgcim Posted March 20, 2022 Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 Cassavettes used Mingus for Shadows.That was about it AFAIK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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