BFT 262 - Discussion Thread

[Dan Gould]

23 minutes ago, Dub Modal said:

Is track 4 an outtake from the Phil Schaap collection? By sheer coincidence I started listening to a Marsh Quartet recording there yesterday (having no idea it was Marsh on this BFT) and while there's no trumpet on the one I'm listening to, the recording itself sounds similar. 

Not sure why it would be an "outtake" but DING DING.

[Dub Modal]

1 minute ago, Dan Gould said:

Not sure why it would be an "outtake" but DING DING.

Ha, my bad. Outtake is the wrong word. "Taken from" would be a better choice. 

With Willis Jackson ID'd, I found track 8. It's track 6 from this album. And you were totally correct about the B3 player. I've never heard of him. 

[Dan Gould]

4 minutes ago, Dub Modal said:

Ha, my bad. Outtake is the wrong word. "Taken from" would be a better choice. 

With Willis Jackson ID'd, I found track 8. It's track 6 from this album. And you were totally correct about the B3 player. I've never heard of him. 

You are engaged in the sleuthing.  And there aren't many Marsh recordings in the Archive so you could figure that out pretty quick.

[Dub Modal]

I like the way you set this BFT up. It helps amateurs like myself track down these songs. 

[Dub Modal]

The Marsh is from this one. Personnel includes Curtis Boyd, Steve LaSpina and Valery Ponomarev 

Per the search there were only a couple of the live sets with a trumpet player so that helped. 

[Dan Gould]

and chosen because I did not anticipate Ponomarev in the group.

[Dub Modal]

14 minutes ago, Dan Gould said:

and chosen because I did not anticipate Ponomarev in the group.

Yeah, that seems out of the ordinary. I don't know much about Ponomarev but this was between his stint with Art Blakey and his first solo record. Wonder how he connected with Marsh?

[JSngry]

Is Scott Hamilton on #1

[Dan Gould]

Nope.

[JSngry]

Is either Al OR Zoot?

[Dub Modal]

Sleuthed track 9. Just went with the very few current-day clarinetists I could think of and hit pay dirt. It's track 4 from this album. This one rewards repeated listens as well. 

[Dan Gould]

7 hours ago, JSngry said:

Is either Al OR Zoot?

Neither. I would have given partial credit on your initial comment if it was.

6 hours ago, Dub Modal said:

Sleuthed track 9. Just went with the very few current-day clarinetists I could think of and hit pay dirt. It's track 4 from this album. This one rewards repeated listens as well. 

Like the title of one of your earlier sleuthing, you are SMOKIN'!

Had it gone deeper into the month my hint was going to be "multi-instrumentalist with a connection to Allen Lowe".

[cayetano]

#1 is Totti Bergh - Plas Johnson.

 

[Dan Gould]

22 minutes ago, cayetano said:

#1 is Totti Bergh - Plas Johnson.

 

Did not anticipate that getting ID'd.

Now over to @JSngry and why he did not recognize Plas.

Edit to add: 26 days to go and only the two versions of Things Ain't remain to be ID'd?!

Edited January 5 by Dan Gould

[JSngry]

I didn't recognize the tone. Simple as that,l Just relistened and still don't. Which one is he?

Who is Totti Bergh. Who is he,?

That a nice cut, whoever which one is. Speaking the language with aplomb.

[Dub Modal]

I sure as hell wasn't sleuthing that out. Well done @cayetano

[cayetano]

#6 is Harry Allen with the Bill Charlap Trio

[Dan Gould]

No offense intended @cayetano, especially since someone who can ID tunes is a welcome addition, but are you getting these thru detective work, your vast collection, or some sort of tech-assistance?

[cayetano]

A little bit of everything and some luck, but #3 I have no idea what it is.

[Dan Gould]

10 hours ago, cayetano said:

#6 is Harry Allen with the Bill Charlap Trio

Years ago, if I do recall correctly, a Harry Allen performance that owed a great deal to Stan Getz got the description of "corpse-fuckery" or something like that from @JSngry so that was going to be my hint on this one.  This one, though only got "walking in somebody's else's shoes".

[Dan Gould]

12 hours ago, JSngry said:

I didn't recognize the tone. Simple as that,l Just relistened and still don't. Which one is he?

Who is Totti Bergh. Who is he,?

That a nice cut, whoever which one is. Speaking the language with aplomb.

Bill Crow's liners say:

When (the rhythm section) go into four behind Plas's first solo chorus, a strong but unhurried swing develops.  after two deft choruses each by Plas and Totti, (the pianist) skips lightly thru choruses of his own."

Hope that helps.

13 hours ago, Dan Gould said:

 

Edit to add: 26 days to go and only the two versions of Things Ain't remain to be ID'd?!

I realize its only a partial on #5, of Frank Wess. There is a hint I could give later on that would get that one nailed down.

[cayetano]

4 hours ago, Dan Gould said:

No offense intended @cayetano, especially since someone who can ID tunes is a welcome addition, but are you getting these thru detective work, your vast collection, or some sort of tech-assistance?

And my tech-assistance are 3x 1 TB memory cards. Harry Allen was there.

[Dan Gould]

28 minutes ago, cayetano said:

And my tech-assistance are 3x 1 TB memory cards. Harry Allen was there.

That's not really tech which I meant as software/ sites like (I think) Shazam IDs tracks.

I guess a big part of narrowing it down was that it was an album of Duke songs.

[Dan Gould]

Hoping to get a little more action in the final two weeks so ... friendly reminder to @Joe @webbcity @tkeith (who I know has family obligations) that y'alll might listen and post.

 

And here is the first hint to help wrap this one up .. #5 was ID'd as Frank Wess - amongst the previously ID'd tracks is one from the same label.

[tkeith]

And as though scripted, here I be.  Been a stretch, apologies for the lag.  Some of this was very unexpected.  

Track 01 - First tenor sure sounds like Buddy, but the time doesn't seem fully locked in.  Maybe older Buddy?  Second is nowhere near as locked in as the first, but I enjoyed both.  Piano solo I could have done without.  The a capela horns is WAY cool, and any time issues are gone (maybe it's the drummer?).  My guess is it's 2nd guy's album. ***1/2

Track 02 - Who are you and what have you done with Dan!?  Very busy, and VERY overdubbed.  Not my jam.  Reminds me of a Tom Scott record I had as a kid (w/Starsky & Hutch theme).  Oh, and a wah pedal to boot -- no thanks.  Busy, but doesn't hit me in the feels.  Almost sounds like Sanborn when I can hear the horn through all the effects, particularly on that strangled note at the end of the solo.  Be okay in a movie, but I'd never spin it.  **

Track 03 - Things Ain't What They Used To Be.  The time is NOT syncing.  I was prepared to take a kitchen knife to this, but that sax player is for real.  He's maybe post-prime (because there's certainly a story in that sound), because the time is a little wonky.  Again, could be the drummer.  Hang on.  I know this sound (trumpet).  Can't come up with a name, but I see a face.  Video I watched on the old A & E back when it did such things.  It was the 80s and the guy seemed ancient then.  Oh gosh... I hate my memory.  Not Rabbit, but has certainly put his ears there (which is a SMART move).  I'd feel better about this if I could hear the individual, but I'm really hearing Hodges redone, here.  Audience is into it. ***

Track 04 - A variation Jerome Kern by a tenor who likes Warne Marsh a lot.  I don't believe it's him, though.  Recording sound lets me down, a lot.  Just before the two minute mark, starts sound A LOT like Marsh, but then seems to lose it.  I've never really heard him "off", but I suppose it's possible.  Love the bassist's time.  Drummer is a little tight for my taste, but that bassist is killin'.  Come on, that's GOT to be Marsh.  Such a space shot!  Gotta love it.  Second time listening, that's Marsh.  I know in the 80s he was touring with a guy who was trying to be him, but this is the actual artifact.  Bad sound threw me but it's got to be him.  I'm trying to think of anything I have him on with a trumpet outside of SuperSax.  Possible NHOP on bass?  ****

Track 05 - A different take on Who Can I Turn To.  I think I like it.  Could be Gator.  Whomever it is has great facility and swings like hell.  Okay, the sound of that piano suggests a Concord recording.  Not feeling the guitar at all.  Now I'm getting a bit of a Houston Person feel.  I'm also fine with that.  This a definite lull when the tenor drops out, and a net-negative when the guitarist comes in, but that's not an uncommon reaction for me to the instrument.  Very interested in the tenor player, but the guitarist really hurts this for me.  ***1/2 w/ guitar ****1/2 without

Track 06 - Rhythm section kinda had me for a bit. Tenor is not quite Harold Ashby (not as personal), but seems to be aiming for that mark.  Not hitting it for me.  Can't help but hear a little irony given the tune.  Rhythm section works for me, particularly the bass.  Drums are a little forward in the recording, which suggests it's newer (mid-90s or later).  A perfect Webster line coming into the solo.  And when he gets a little busy, sounds more like Getz.  Dude can play, but I'm not sure he gets a spot on my roster.  ***

Track 07 - More Tickle-Toe, but Jesus, I gotta put my seatbelt on.  Okay, Jaws, no question.  SUCH a baaaaaaaaaad MF!  VICIOUS!!!!!  AH!  J-Grif fools no one, AGAIN!  That's a lot of MF on one stage!  That guy VIBRATES!  What can you do, man?  You gotta laugh!  That shit is IMPOSSIBLE!  WICKED!  *****

Track 08 - I see what you're up to, here.  Alright, that's GOT to be Gator.  I'll take it.  ****

Track 09 - All The Things you put on your BFT.  I've got a better chance of solving the grand unification theory than I do of IDing a clarinetist. Pianist has a nice touch.  They are laying back nicely and not getting tripped up by the slow tempo.  Good band.  Wow, really nice clarinet sound (and I LOATHE the instrument).  Nice.  Doesn't get greedy, hits the bridge instead of dragging the solo into March.  Don't know who it is, but these guys are for real. ****

Track 10 - No clue.  Another one that work as a soundtrack, but as far as a spin, I don't care for this at all.  It's a style, just not one I'm into.  Hmm... this wouldn't be those semi-famous brothers who were very popular in the late 70s/early 80s for their band?  Sounds like Randy on trumpet, but the sax doesn't sound like the other brother.  Absolutely nothing in this composition for me.  Egad.  Just looked and there's quite a stretch to go, yet.  Maceo is about the only guy I can deal with playing this stuff.  GET OFF MY LAWN!  I'm so wanting him to DO something with that one note.  Just commit and give me, "The roof!  The roof!  The roof is on fire!"  [note:  I realize this was likely recorded well before that]  **1/2
 

You know, there were several on here I really dug!  #commonground

 

 

Here's an obnoxiously long cover of Pick Up The Pieces by the Phil Collins Big Band.  It's WAY stiffer than that sounds, however, if you have 22 minutes to kill, I say it's worth it for James Carter at the end.  Dan, I'll save you the 22 minutes, you'll hate it.