BFT 265 Discussion

[Dub Modal]

10 hours ago, Chuck Nessa said:

Decades earlier 

Thanks for the rec. I didn't know about this one at all.

 

5 hours ago, cayetano said:

Chicago is my favorite scene, I've been following 30 years ago, I've even been there. Playing with that energy (NRG) could only be Mars Williams and I went straight to that archive record.

I love Chicago. Been several times but the closest I got to jazz was the Jazz Record Mart when it was still downtown. One day I'll catch some live music there. 

[cayetano]

6. Intriguing. Classic free jazz at his best, sax intro is beautiful, similar maybe to Noah Howard, I like a lot the bowed bass and drumming section, I need this album (or maybe I already have it).

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5 hours ago, cayetano said:

6. Intriguing. Classic free jazz at his best, sax intro is beautiful, similar maybe to Noah Howard, I like a lot the bowed bass and drumming section, I need this album (or maybe I already have it).

I feel like in order to guess this one you'd almost have to own it or be extremely familiar with it. 

[mjazzg]

I reckon #2 is pretty contemporary, last 10 years, possibly International Anthem. Lester St Louis on cello perhaps or listening some more, is it Tomeka?

Great track which if I don't already own I want to

#3 could be Akira Sakata? 

#9 Shabaka...

Edited Saturday at 01:59 PM by mjazzg

[Dub Modal]

6 hours ago, mjazzg said:

I reckon #2 is pretty contemporary, last 10 years, possibly International Anthem. Lester St Louis on cello perhaps or listening some more, is it Tomeka?

Great track which if I don't already own I want to

#3 could be Akira Sakata? 

#9 Shabaka...

Indeed #2 is very contemporary, but no Lester St Louis or Tomeka. Can confirm it's on International Anthem. Nice call. 

No Sakata or Shabaka on 3 and 9. 

[cayetano]

OK, I was thinking of L.A. but it was London. Unknown to me, great choice.

[mjazzg]

12 hours ago, Dub Modal said:

Indeed #2 is very contemporary, but no Lester St Louis or Tomeka. Can confirm it's on International Anthem. Nice call. 

No Sakata or Shabaka on 3 and 9. 

So if it's IA I probably have it.

https://www.discogs.com/sell/item/3932399362

It's 'The Journey' from Tom Skinner's live album. I knew I knew it. In fact I think the studio version was on the only BFT I have done.

Kareem Dayes on cello amongst a largely hometown crew

 

 

[Dub Modal]

4 hours ago, mjazzg said:

So if it's IA I probably have it.

https://www.discogs.com/sell/item/3932399362

It's 'The Journey' from Tom Skinner's live album. I knew I knew it. In fact I think the studio version was on the only BFT I have done.

Kareem Dayes on cello amongst a largely hometown crew

 

 

You got it. I love this live album, and the fact that it's dedicated to Abdul Wadud. Dayes' cello is definitely a standout to me. 

[mjazzg]

1 hour ago, Dub Modal said:

You got it. I love this live album, and the fact that it's dedicated to Abdul Wadud. Dayes' cello is definitely a standout to me. 

You know the studio album from which the music is taken, I'm guessing?

https://www.discogs.com/master/2848426-Tom-Skinner-Voices-Of-Bishara

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1 hour ago, mjazzg said:

You know the studio album from which the music is taken, I'm guessing?

https://www.discogs.com/master/2848426-Tom-Skinner-Voices-Of-Bishara

Only from your earlier BFT track. It"s what led me to get this live album actually. I had forgotten that you shared this specific track though. I liked it then, so I'm not surprised I picked this one off the album. 

For anyone who doesn't recall it, this was on BFT 239 when we all donated a track to make a full BFT. Which was a really great idea (from one Dan Gould if I'm not mistaken). 

[Dub Modal]

Songs 3, 4, 6 and 9 are the remaining tunes not ID'd yet. 

[cayetano]

4. It's "Eye strain" from Vito Price "Swingin' the loop". Very nice tune.

[Dub Modal]

26 minutes ago, cayetano said:

4. It's "Eye strain" from Vito Price "Swingin' the loop". Very nice tune.

Check. And note the rhythm section roots to Count Basie with Gus Johnson & Freddie Green. They swing like hell on this song to carry Vito, who didn't record another solo record until 2003. Yikes. 

This particular track taken from this CD. 

[tkeith]

Gotta get in here somewhat early this month.  

 

track 1 - Low-end forward swinging big band.  Heavy on the altered extensions, but with purpose.  Got a little bit of that two-chord molly thing going.  Or three.  Busy tenor acquits himself well.  Never been a fan of that type of mute.  Maybe for section work, but just doesn't sound good to me on a solo.  Solid bari work.  Maybe a young Cuber?  Doesn't quite have his edge, but the ideas are similar.  Solid starter, fun tune with solid solos.  Arrangement hints to me this might not be the usual format for either band or arranger.  3.5/5

track 2 - Nice, loping feel.  Can't tell what the higher stringed instrument is (or is that a double plucked single instrument?).  Okay, so two tenors on a live date with a somewhat rambunctious audience (if not an attentive one).  Suggests a new(ish) recording (audiences have forgotten how to behave).  Okay, that sounds like a pizzacato cello to me. Getting over a cold and can't tell if I'm hearing a bass back there, as well, or it's just a drum.  Or maybe that's an oud.  That strolling drum beat works well, here.  Appreciate that the string instrument soloed first, but really want the tenors to do something.  Alas, they don't care what I want.  Okay, so there IS a bass.  Very solid.  3.5/5

track 3 - Angry alto player.  Was brought onto a session once and given instructions to "Zorn out" at a particular point.  That's how this hits me -- not a bad thing, but certainly need to be in a particular head space.  (Takes a lot more energy to get there these days!)  Maybe Arthur Doyle?  Not sure it finds his groove, but that's the name that springs up.  2.5/5 (could be higher, but my ears aren't on that planet at the moment)

track 4 - That's different flavor.  Straight forward swinging, burly tenor.  Very KC sound to the band.  That tenor sound is ticking something in my memory.  Rhythmically I'd almost say Zoot, but nothing close to his tone.  Wondering if maybe somebody like Frank Wess or Jimmy Hamilton, one of those unsung "second" tenors.  Very cool.  4/5

track 5 - Very busy.  If this clicked, I might be inclined to think a William Parker project, but this one isn't fully hitting for me.  Drummer doesn't seem to have any purpose besides busy, and bass player is having to work very hard as a result.  Like the alto a lot.  I probably have stacks that someone would say sound just like this, but this genre really has to hit a niche for me (and I think for most people who listen to it).  This doesn't miss, but I'm unlikely to be able to ID anyone here.  In a cohesive set, this might work really well.  In this context, I'm just hearing it as noisy.  (Thought I'm glad to see some bits like this popping up in a BFT!) 3.5/5

track 6 - That transition works well.  Thoughtful opening turns more reactionary (not a negative, just an observation).  I was hoping for more of the pensive stretch.  Could be the same band, but I think I like this sax player a bit better.  Drummer, too, though the approach is similar.  Nice bow work on the bass.  Percussion is a bit clangy, but as a whole, this track works better than the last for me.  There's more listening and it seems more of an honest interaction.  4/5

track 7 - First thought was Sonny Simmons, but sounds a little clean for him.  Love the feel of this tune and what this band is doing with it.  Not so clean as the glossy covered stuff that gets promoted to radio stations, though -- this has some grunt to it.  I think I know this player, but it's coming through clearly.  Possible that they double?  Not John Hicks, but they've heard him plenty.  Solid solo by a bassist I don't recognize.  4/5

track 8 - Of the period, not just period correct.  Does what it's supposed to.  Not my avenue, but well done.  When I got up, I clicked on the tube and an old episode of Soul! was on, and a woman was barking out a gospel-blues -- this strikes me kind of like that.  I'm not surprised by anything going on, but it works.  Well... then somebody has to sing.  😕 The only thing I know for sure is that I don't know who this is.  Genre just isn't my bag.  I respect it when done well (and this is), but it just doesn't hit me where I need to be hit.  2.5/5

track 9 - This one was neither good nor bad, just didn't really even register for me.  I know there was some sort of flute, but that's about as much as it caught my attention.  2/5

track 10 - Wouldn't be my chosen genre, but does what it does very well (in spite of that atrocious bass sound!).  Might be a tad clean for what it is, but it gets you moving.  It's neither Gator nor Purdie, but they like those guys (who don't!?).  Got a little taste of The Meters in there, too.  3/5

track 11 - Well, it's Johnny Hartman.  Tenor is pinging hard.  [On second listen]  Okay, that's Frank Wess, so this is from this. 4/5

And the drought ends!

A varied listen, which I greatly appreciate.  A lot in here I want to know more about.  Thanks!

Damnit!  Talked myself out of both Ra and Fortune.  Figures.   

[Dub Modal]

1 hour ago, tkeith said:

Gotta get in here somewhat early this month.  

 

track 1 - Low-end forward swinging big band.  Heavy on the altered extensions, but with purpose.  Got a little bit of that two-chord molly thing going.  Or three.  Busy tenor acquits himself well.  Never been a fan of that type of mute.  Maybe for section work, but just doesn't sound good to me on a solo.  Solid bari work.  Maybe a young Cuber?  Doesn't quite have his edge, but the ideas are similar.  Solid starter, fun tune with solid solos.  Arrangement hints to me this might not be the usual format for either band or arranger.  3.5/5

track 2 - Nice, loping feel.  Can't tell what the higher stringed instrument is (or is that a double plucked single instrument?).  Okay, so two tenors on a live date with a somewhat rambunctious audience (if not an attentive one).  Suggests a new(ish) recording (audiences have forgotten how to behave).  Okay, that sounds like a pizzacato cello to me. Getting over a cold and can't tell if I'm hearing a bass back there, as well, or it's just a drum.  Or maybe that's an oud.  That strolling drum beat works well, here.  Appreciate that the string instrument soloed first, but really want the tenors to do something.  Alas, they don't care what I want.  Okay, so there IS a bass.  Very solid.  3.5/5

track 3 - Angry alto player.  Was brought onto a session once and given instructions to "Zorn out" at a particular point.  That's how this hits me -- not a bad thing, but certainly need to be in a particular head space.  (Takes a lot more energy to get there these days!)  Maybe Arthur Doyle?  Not sure it finds his groove, but that's the name that springs up.  2.5/5 (could be higher, but my ears aren't on that planet at the moment)

track 4 - That's different flavor.  Straight forward swinging, burly tenor.  Very KC sound to the band.  That tenor sound is ticking something in my memory.  Rhythmically I'd almost say Zoot, but nothing close to his tone.  Wondering if maybe somebody like Frank Wess or Jimmy Hamilton, one of those unsung "second" tenors.  Very cool.  4/5

track 5 - Very busy.  If this clicked, I might be inclined to think a William Parker project, but this one isn't fully hitting for me.  Drummer doesn't seem to have any purpose besides busy, and bass player is having to work very hard as a result.  Like the alto a lot.  I probably have stacks that someone would say sound just like this, but this genre really has to hit a niche for me (and I think for most people who listen to it).  This doesn't miss, but I'm unlikely to be able to ID anyone here.  In a cohesive set, this might work really well.  In this context, I'm just hearing it as noisy.  (Thought I'm glad to see some bits like this popping up in a BFT!) 3.5/5

track 6 - That transition works well.  Thoughtful opening turns more reactionary (not a negative, just an observation).  I was hoping for more of the pensive stretch.  Could be the same band, but I think I like this sax player a bit better.  Drummer, too, though the approach is similar.  Nice bow work on the bass.  Percussion is a bit clangy, but as a whole, this track works better than the last for me.  There's more listening and it seems more of an honest interaction.  4/5

track 7 - First thought was Sonny Simmons, but sounds a little clean for him.  Love the feel of this tune and what this band is doing with it.  Not so clean as the glossy covered stuff that gets promoted to radio stations, though -- this has some grunt to it.  I think I know this player, but it's coming through clearly.  Possible that they double?  Not John Hicks, but they've heard him plenty.  Solid solo by a bassist I don't recognize.  4/5

track 8 - Of the period, not just period correct.  Does what it's supposed to.  Not my avenue, but well done.  When I got up, I clicked on the tube and an old episode of Soul! was on, and a woman was barking out a gospel-blues -- this strikes me kind of like that.  I'm not surprised by anything going on, but it works.  Well... then somebody has to sing.  😕 The only thing I know for sure is that I don't know who this is.  Genre just isn't my bag.  I respect it when done well (and this is), but it just doesn't hit me where I need to be hit.  2.5/5

track 9 - This one was neither good nor bad, just didn't really even register for me.  I know there was some sort of flute, but that's about as much as it caught my attention.  2/5

track 10 - Wouldn't be my chosen genre, but does what it does very well (in spite of that atrocious bass sound!).  Might be a tad clean for what it is, but it gets you moving.  It's neither Gator nor Purdie, but they like those guys (who don't!?).  Got a little taste of The Meters in there, too.  3/5

track 11 - Well, it's Johnny Hartman.  Tenor is pinging hard.  [On second listen]  Okay, that's Frank Wess, so this is from this. 4/5

And the drought ends!

A varied listen, which I greatly appreciate.  A lot in here I want to know more about.  Thanks!

Damnit!  Talked myself out of both Ra and Fortune.  Figures.   

Maybe even talked yourself out of John Hicks on track 7 and Purdie on 10!

Your KC note for track 4 was on point. 

Glad you liked the mix. I figured some different flavors would be appreciated if not enjoyed. 

Only 3, 6 and 9 remain unidentified. Not even a week in lol. Y'all are damned good at this.