bertrand Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 How is this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomatamot Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 How is this? I have it and I like this album a lot, but I can still live without. ( very good Charles Davis on BS ) Buy it if it`s reasonable priced. ( into your budget ) I have a fresh Sound reissue, original BCP6059 is a hard to find in Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Never heard it. Didn't know it was out on Fresh Sound. My list won't stand it!!! MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 I like it. Got mine (new Japanese edition) form Dusty Groove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 (edited) A rather uninspired date in my opinion. Nothing special, on the contrary, a dime a dozen; a typical example of the formulaic hard bop of the time (1961). Edited October 14, 2013 by J.A.W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 A rather uninspired date in my opinion. Nothing special, on the contrary, a dime a dozen; a typical example of the formulaic hard bop of the time (1961). I'm sure you're right. That's one of the attractions of Ousley. I like his songs anyway. MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Men at work. If you enjoy experiencing those type men doing that type of work (and I generally do), then hey, here some more of it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted October 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 So they are not doing work that really extends past the usual 'confines' of 'Hard-Bop'? The reason I ask is that the DG blurb seemed to suggest otherwise. But of course they are trying to sell me a CD, so I needed another viewpoint. I'll probably pass unless someone talks me into it tomorrow. No one has called this 'essential', whatever that might entail. Bertrand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 IMO no cd with Charles Davis and Julian Priester is ordinary. I think you might like it. But as you're awful cautious you may as well pass it by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 I'm somewhat less there about Preister, but Charles Davis, yes. And it's not really "ordinary", you're talking about players on the front line who all have pretty distinct voices & haven't exactly been over-recorded. Maybe I like the anthropology more than the music? Or they're more or less one and the same to me? The latter, yes. With this lineage of music, yes, to me. At some point all lineages, but this one more than most, just because everybody gotta be somewhere, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted October 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 I have 2,000+ CDs, so I would hardly think of myself as cautious. I'm just trying to avoid buying more things that are kind of always the same. The Charles Davis angle and the little-recorded angle for Ousley are what caught my eye. I will sleep on it. Bertrand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomatamot Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 I will sleep on it. Bertrand. You better try to listen for yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 (edited) No one has called this 'essential', whatever that might entail. Enjoyable music doesn't need to be "essential" to be enjoyable. In fact, in many cases it better not be "essential" the way this term is generally used. Because if you limit your listening to a selection of "must-listen" items then you risk ending up with listening with other people's ears and brains ("what am I supposed to have listened to in order to be "of age" in my appreciation?") instead of your very own - and your own TASTE, above all, which you are entitled to develop and expand at your OWN pace, not as per somebody else's listening agenda. If you are into hard bop far enough to be likely to explore and enjoy hard bop IN DEPTH, then GO FOR IT. I for one certainly have a lot more records by comparative obscurities and also-rans in the fields of swing, R&B and West Coast Jazz, example, than I have of the majors in hard bop (of which I have quite a few but feel little need to dig that deeply) and beyond - and I make no excuses at all for it. It's MY taste and MY appreciation of what I like best, not what somebody else wants to sell me as "essential" that I "got" to own. It's a matter of personal preferences, not a matter of working off a listening schedule. Edited October 15, 2013 by Big Beat Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 No one has called this 'essential', whatever that might entail. Enjoyable music doesn't need to be "essential" to be enjoyable. In fact, in many cases it better not be "essential" the way this term is generally used. Because if you limit your listening to a selection of "must-listen" items then you risk ending up with listening with other people's ears and brains ("what am I supposed to have listened to in order to be "of age" in my appreciation?") instead of your very own - and your own TASTE, above all, which you are entitled to develop and expand at your OWN pace, not as per somebody else's listening agenda. If you are into hard bop far enough to be likely to explore and enjoy hard bop IN DEPTH, then GO FOR IT. I for one certainly have a lot more records by comparative obscurities and also-rans in the fields of swing, R&B and West Coast Jazz, example, than I have of the majors in hard bop (of which I have quite a few but feel little need to dig that deeply) and beyond - and I make no excuses at all for it. It's MY taste and MY appreciation of what I like best, not what somebody else wants to sell me as "essential" that I "got" to own. It's a matter of personal preferences, not a matter of working off a listening schedule. I agree. To my mind, there's too much focus on 'great' recordings. Those who make what's often derisively called 'generic' music actually define the genre, not the geniuses, who define themselves (and long may they do so, if there are any left) and tend to push the envelope, or even rip it to shreds. In a sense, BOTH are essential. MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 Listening to this again. I very much disagree with Hans that this is dime a dozen, formulaic hard bop. The biggest drawback for me is the poorly sounding piano. But the arrangements are not typical, and the playing has some real interest for me. Ousley reminds me of Dexter Gordon here in spots, and I would say this music has a stronger small group swing element to it than much of the hard bop of the time. I like it, and think it's worth a listen Bertrand. I don't do streaming but maybe it's on Spotify or something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 Listening to this again. I very much disagree with Hans that this is dime a dozen, formulaic hard bop. The biggest drawback for me is the poorly sounding piano. But the arrangements are not typical, and the playing has some real interest for me. Ousley reminds me of Dexter Gordon here in spots, and I would say this music has a stronger small group swing element to it than much of the hard bop of the time. I like it, and think it's worth a listen Bertrand. I don't do streaming but maybe it's on Spotify or something like that. Our tastes in music and playback are very different. Nothing wrong with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 Tastes aside, this is not "dime a dozen" "formulaic hard bop" --- quite different than that. Just wanted to point that out. Hopefully there's nothing wrong with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted October 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 I think Lon has pretty much talked me into it, although now I am also eyeing that Marzette Watts ESP CD, which I assume is not formulaic free jazz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 Tastes aside, this is not "dime a dozen" "formulaic hard bop" --- quite different than that. Just wanted to point that out. Hopefully there's nothing wrong with that. Whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 Some time back I wrote up a little list of Harold's compositions that other musicians have recorded. Well, the ones I knew about, anyway. Very few 'routine' musicians have spread as many tunes around the jazz world as Harold Ousley. 1. And that I am so in love – Horace Parlan, Bennie Green 2. Haitian lady – Montego Joe, Jack Mcduff, Grassella Oliphant, Willie Bobo 3. Return of the Prodigal Son – Freddie Hubbard, Stanley Turrentine, George Benson, Ray Bryant, lots more 4. Win lose or draw – Willis Jackson, Lou Donaldson 5. The latter days – Grassella Oliphant 6. One for the masses – Grassella Oliphant 7. The descendant – Grassella Oliphant 8. Uptown hours – Grassella Oliphant 9. Mrs O – Grassella Oliphant 10. Son of man – Houston Person 11. Pretty please – Houston Person 12. Hope I can love again – Houston Person 13. Sassie lassie – Lou Donaldson 14. The kid - Lou Donaldson 15. Dapper Dan - Lou Donaldson 16. The people’s choice – Gene Ammons/Sonny Stitt, Ellery Eskelin 17. Pleasant moments – Jack McDuff 18. The regulars – Red Holloway 19. Minor truth – George Benson 20. Thunder walk – George Benson 21. Elation – Willie Bobo, Bobby Shew 22. Minor revelation –Bennie Green 23. Summer melody – Bernard Purdie 24. That’s when we thought of love - Jack McDuff 25 So never leave my love - Clarence Wheeler MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 I think Lon has pretty much talked me into it, although now I am also eyeing that Marzette Watts ESP CD, which I assume is not formulaic free jazz. I've had that for years on an ESP XYZ disc. . . . Interesting to spin once or twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 Some time back I wrote up a little list of Harold's compositions that other musicians have recorded. Well, the ones I knew about, anyway. Very few 'routine' musicians have spread as many tunes around the jazz world as Harold Ousley. 1. And that I am so in love – Horace Parlan, Bennie Green 2. Haitian lady – Montego Joe, Jack Mcduff, Grassella Oliphant, Willie Bobo 3. Return of the Prodigal Son – Freddie Hubbard, Stanley Turrentine, George Benson, Ray Bryant, lots more 4. Win lose or draw – Willis Jackson, Lou Donaldson 5. The latter days – Grassella Oliphant 6. One for the masses – Grassella Oliphant 7. The descendant – Grassella Oliphant 8. Uptown hours – Grassella Oliphant 9. Mrs O – Grassella Oliphant 10. Son of man – Houston Person 11. Pretty please – Houston Person 12. Hope I can love again – Houston Person 13. Sassie lassie – Lou Donaldson 14. The kid - Lou Donaldson 15. Dapper Dan - Lou Donaldson 16. The people’s choice – Gene Ammons/Sonny Stitt, Ellery Eskelin 17. Pleasant moments – Jack McDuff 18. The regulars – Red Holloway 19. Minor truth – George Benson 20. Thunder walk – George Benson 21. Elation – Willie Bobo, Bobby Shew 22. Minor revelation –Bennie Green 23. Summer melody – Bernard Purdie 24. That’s when we thought of love - Jack McDuff 25 So never leave my love - Clarence Wheeler MG That IS darned impressive Allen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 Yeah, I'm sure everyone here has a few of his compositions in their collection. MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted October 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 I went ahead and got the Ousley (along with other goodies). The Marzette is still on my radar, but I think I need to hear some samples. Bertrand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 he could of been known just for the songwriting, very impressive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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