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Birth of the Cool ... AGAIN

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Answering my own question about the liners, this review (which is reasonably informative, given that it's Pitchfork), mentions expanded liners, and a bit about the sonic upgrade -- primarily to the studio material.  Sounds like this might well actually sound better (maybe), and in any case, the new liners would be enough for me to get it on CD.

https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/miles-davis-the-complete-birth-of-the-cool/

So then, I'm in, for this new reissue on CD.

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 ...this new edition, mastered from the analog session reels for the first time since ’57...

uh...what did they use for the RVG edition?

somebody's not got it right

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5 hours ago, JSngry said:

 

 

uh...what did they use for the RVG edition?

somebody's not got it right

So between this question and the mention of being "pitch corrected," it would be nice to get a definitive answer about this release.

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2 hours ago, JSngry said:

I never bought the RVG with the upgraded sound (the one without the "live" tracks).  I'd much rather have it all on one CD, and the SQ upgrade wasn't all that critical to me (and I didn't want to have to have two CD's, with the studio-material duplicated).

But since this new version seems to be the best of both/all worlds, and new liners, I'm in.

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On ‎05‎.‎06‎.‎2019 at 5:06 PM, Rooster_Ties said:

Interesting.  I would have figured that live material would have come out (legit) before 2001! -- well before 2001, actually.

It did ... the CD with the live material is the 1998 one, not the 2001 ;) -- guess I'll stick with my combo (same as post #1)

I used to have the Cicala LP, quite horrible ... but it was my first chance to hear the live half of the music, which definitely should be heard.

Anyone has a link to that article by Mike Zwerin? I remember reading it but recently tried to find it again, ending up empty though.

One thing I wonder though, will they get this right, this time around?

The first two tunes from the nonet ("The Theme" and "Move") are about a half-tone flat on Capitol CDP 94550 and Definitive.

from here: http://plosin.com/milesahead/Sessions.aspx?s=480904

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It finally arrived.  Haven't listened yet so I can't say anything about the sound (not that my ears are good enough to make me a reliable judge).  However I have looked at the liner notes.  Ashley Kahn's 20 or so page essay seems pretty good. The booklet does reproduce the Gerry Mulligan and Phil Schaap's notes  from the last "Complete Birth of the Cool" cd but not Pete Weldings notes nor Mike Zwerin's lovely reminiscence about playing with the nonet   

I don't think anyone here is more of a Gil Evans fan than I  am but I'm not sure Mulligan gets enough credit for these sides. He arranged 6 of the twelve numbers recorded.(Weirdly, in the 1989 "Complete" cd issue the notes say he arranged 4-- but that's corrected in the RVG release.) 

 

 

 

 

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Oddly I did the opposite: I have listened to the cd but haven't read the liner notes. I just don't read liner notes with enthusiasm any longer.

Sound on the studio sides is very good, improved in the realms of punch and midrange richness. Sound on the live material. . . I think the previous "Complete" cd may even sound a bit better for the live sides. 

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Question for those of you with this new CD, which I got in the mail today.

This CD is supposed to have corrected the pitch of (at least) two tracks from the 1998 release: Track 13 (Theme) and Track 15 (Move) were both about a 1/2 step flat on the 1998 release. It appears these have been corrected on this new 2019 CD.

But when I listen to tracks 23 (Move ... different date) and 25, these now sound like they are a 1/2 step flat now?? Compared to studio track 1 & 5?

Did we get two corrected tracks and in the process lose pitch on 2 other tracks? Can anyone else verify?

Edited by Backwhat

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I have the 2 LP set and it's a nice package. New extensive liner notes from Ashley Kahn. I wish they swapped out Schaap's notes for Zwerin's. The studio sides sound great, though I don't have previous editions to compare with. Mastering is credited to Robert Vosgien of Capitol Studios and Kevin Reeves and Seth Foster of Universal get credit for live restoration.

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