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Update to my post above: I am not sure anymore at all that all the Ellington V-Discs were taken from commercial recordings. I just pulled out an LP that has the reissue of V-Disc 610 (In The Shade Of The Old Apple Tree) of November 1945, and the V-Disc discography by Klaus Teubig does not indicate any commercial recordings as its source. Neither for V-Disc 505 that is referenced in the entry for VD 610. According to Bruyninckx, both VD 505 and VD 610 come from Duke Ellington Treasury Shows. And these are only 2 of the Ellington V-Discs. So is it again a matter of balking estates that they're not in that set?

If they do a "complete" release and they find more takes of these tunes, I'd be interested. However, I do hope that they don't copy the format of the Rollins' Vanguard release, where they cut all of the banter between songs. That was included in the RVG CDs and I really enjoyed hearing Sonny's little talks.

Hi Andy. Not sure what you mean by "this" but ... as far as the Sidewinder session goes, the title track is listed next to last, not the last recorded released take. To the general question, I am looking into how Bill Doggett's Honky Tonk came to be and drummer Shep Shepherd completely contradicts Doggett's story about a sort of immaculate musical conception on a gig in Lima, Ohio, he says it started during a rehearsal and that some time later the band needed to record another song and Doggett asked the band about that "honky tonk type thing you were playing before" and they recorded it and to Shepherd's surprise, it was a sudden, surprise hit a few weeks later. Ruppli shows Honky Tonk Parts 1 and 2 as the first tunes recorded at their June 16, 1956 recording session which contradicts Shepherd's memory.

Great story, and Maimoun would be on my short list of "favorite Cowell tunes".

I think sometimes that as new info comes out then occasionally the session order gets corrected however I thought that this was related to new titles/mix ups since addressed by those present etc....why...what you found that makes you doubt this?

Yes. Absolutely.

I have all the discs but would love to be able to secure a box and book for them in this lifetime.

Jazzbo's post of 24 November may have the answer: All Ellingtons seem to have been commercial recordings recycled for V-Disc use. So they are outside the scope of this set.

Probably a silly question but just to verify, label discographies organize sessions by recording order, right? So if "Honky Tonk" is listed first in Ruppli, it was first song laid down. And I guess, similarly, the log for what became The Sidewinder would show the title track as the last tune since Lee composed it at the very end to get an LP-worth of music done. (Actually looking at the Lee Morgan Discography project page, Gary's Notebook was the last tune recorded. Is my assumption wrong or is the story of how Lee composed it not really true and actually easily controverted by the session log?)

Simply sublime

Good stuff. NP:

Erroll Garner, Penthouse Serenade (Savoy)

Great finds! Lenny's first Mahler cycle is a classic!

Hard to process these kinds of senseless acts. Their son was likely in some sort of severe dissociative state and I can't imagine he was in his right mind. Such a terrible tragedy indeed. RIP.

Thriftstore find

Not yet seeing the Dodgers as Evil, currently just Annoying As Fuck, and WELL on the way to Evil. Wishing Adolis Garcia some kind of Renaissance in Philly, maybe in a way that gets the Phillies past the Dodgers. That would be as glorious as it is unlikely

Ts-find, NP Symphony No. 2 two other Thriftstore-finds

I really need for the Yankees to miss out on Tucker and then see the Mets snap up Bellinger. I'd even take the Evil Dodgers throwing insane money at Tucker until he says "yes" over dealing with Tucker, still in his prime for at least 5 years, in the Yankee lineup.

Okay, I'm going to ask another stupid question... Just out of curiosity (if anyone knows), why is there no Ellington on this set?

I am a big fan of Duke Jordan's lengthy series of albums on Steeplechase.