David Ayers

Just auditioning his disk of 'Concert Music' with Naxos. So far soft-grained stuff and not my cuppa - but he has strings to his bow, nicht wahr?

No need, it seems - see post #44 above! (I've got the old edition of that geat Stadler album spread on two CDs and it's several minutes short of 80 minutes ... there were days when commercial discs couldn't hold more than 74 or later 78 or something minutes ... nowadays, they go up to 81 or 02 minutes - you can do that with CDRs, too, if you use the overburn function ... but I have no clue if that might diminish life expectancy ... I don't do much burning any more these days) Good! I've got the French CBS LP and I had no idea about timings. The LP is not in great sound so I might go for the CD. That said I never warmed much to the music though I love Ornette of this period.

I know nothing about them.

Now on only one disk. Wonder if they trimmed it? That company has a very small catalogue of collectables, including Grant Green's Iron City.

Does he talk to/about John Zorn? Zorn makes all those klezmer links, by the way.

Great job. That shows the way ahead for other labels.

That's a most interesting thing. It's not CDs that suck, it's albums. And if you mainly want individual songs, no point in buying CDs. This is a bit of a paradigm shift. MG well, i guess you could also call it the return of the "single" ... It's cheap, because even singles had two songs, side A and side B By the way in case you hadn't noticed many jazz albums contain a lot of filler just like pop albums and on cd often come in under 40 minutes. A lot of albums we revere were thrown off pretty quickly and in truth only have one good track (if that). The anti-"pop" thing on this board misses the mark. Pop in general has created more that is absolutely memorable than jazz by miles,and much more that speaks to people's lives and feelings.

Don't say that! Folks on this board think ECM is all modern and new-fangled, with all those whippersnappers and upstarts like Keith Jarrett and Roscoe Mitchell, let alone Andy Sheppard or Tim Berne, barely out of the egg.

Sounds like you need to move. San Diego's pretty good.

Big fan of the Albright-Knox here.

I am much more rash than you guys - I just buy (or stream) whatever I fancy in any given moment!

Kubelik sound is very constricted and dated. I haven't heard the others. I've heard it performed by Belohlavek and the LSO and think of it more as a piece for real life than for domestic listening. http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2001/mar/06/artsfeatures3 http://www.standard.co.uk/arts/music/springing-into-classical-action-7429519.html 'Fac me' Sinopoli is said to be 'operatic' so might not be to all tastes.

I was thinking about the non-fun side of all those mistakes today. There were so many errors in important discographical information of the CD reissue era. Cuscuna was one of the main offenders, as I was reminded today when looking at the description of the original appearance of tracks on the Complete Africa Brass. So well-known that no-one who knows it could make a mistake, but Cuscuna did, and he and others quite quite often did. I could easily find a hundred. It makes you wonder how many less obvious mistakes there are around as well. It's a pity - still, a lost golden age, I suppose.

Maybe go for the recent version with the Pavel Haas Quartet on Supraphon. It's always possible to audition all this stuff on a streaming service, of course... Oh wait we're talking about the Stabat Mater... I don't care for it.

I suppose there may be other distribution variables that figure into the equation. If labels want their stuff there, they have reasons, I'd say, at this point. They may or may not have models of how presence on Spotify promotes download or physical sales, or promotes interest in (living, touring) artists. I have read data which suggests that Spotify pays just short of one cent per stream. One reason revenue stays low for many artists is that they get very few streams. For people who use Spotify, you know about artists and labels which are there and you increasingly ignore ones that aren't. Universal seem very pro Spotify. However, ECM came on it then went off. ECM went so dogmatically anti-digital that they even witheld mp3s of their new albums for three months in order to promote hard copy sales - or that was their plan. ECM is one of the few art-music labels that has things many people actually want, but they revised that 3-month 'you caan't haave it na na na naa naa' strategy I assume when people who wanted downloads just went online and pirated stuff they couldn't buy. How much does a minute of TV cost? To buy? To make? That's how you have to think. Edited to add: clarifying article from UK Guardian on Spotify http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/pda/2011/dec/08/artists-indies-spotify

Agreed on that track! I read that Chunga's Revenge was a less-than-essential odds-and-ends type record but when I played that track...! For the uncommitted that kind of record can play better than the sort of concept album that asks for more 'belief'... Oh and sounds great even on Spotify!

Great record Does Spotify have the new remasters? Yes it has the whole series, all 56 titles.

Great record

I think it is. I found a reference which indicated that a photograph appears in the biography showing Green in the 1950s with a strat as part of an R&B band.

I don't know how or how well Spotify works for copyright holders. Of course they can change the permissions at any time. They may have a model that suggests Spotify actually does promote physical/download sales. However, tracks over 10 minutes on these Zappa titles can be auditioned on Spotify but not purchased, which seems perverse. While the material is there, I am going to mine it - a great archive. I'll certainly buy some physical CDs too.

If GG is playing a strat on that tape then people may be in for a surprise. Does anyone know??

Here's my list of what has come/is coming. There are said to be 60 - I can find 56. List shows original format/date, for information. 1. Freak Out! (2LP, 1966) 2. Absolutely Free (LP, 1967) 3. We're Only In It For The Money (LP, 1968) 4. Lumpy Gravy (LP, 1968) 5. Cruising With Ruben & The Jets (LP, 1968) 6. Uncle Meat (2LP, 1969) 7. Hot Rats (LP, 1969) 8. Burnt Weeny Sandwich (LP, 1970) 9. Weasels Ripped My Flesh (LP, 1970) 10. Chunga's Revenge (LP, 1970) 11. Fillmore East -- June 1971 (LP, 1971) 12. Just Another Band From L.A. (LP, 1972) 13. Waka/Jawaka (LP, 1972) 14. The Grand Wazoo (LP, 1972) 15. Over-Nite Sensation (LP, 1973) 16. Apostrophe (') (LP, 1974) 17. Roxy & Elsewhere (2LP, 1974) 18. One Size Fits All (LP, 1975) 19. Bongo Fury (LP, 1975) 20. Zoot Allures (LP, 1976) 21. Zappa In New York (2LP, 1978) 22. Studio Tan (LP, 1978) 23. Sleep Dirt (LP, 1979) 24. Sheik Yerbouti (2LP,1979) 25. Orchestral Favorites (LP, 1979) 26. Joe's Garage Acts I, II and III (3LP, 1979) 27. Tinsel Town Rebellion (2LP, 1981) 28. Shut Up 'N Play Yer Guitar (3LP, 1981) 29. You Are What You Is (2LP, 1981) 30. Ship Arriving Too Late To Save A Drowning Witch (LP, 1982) 31. The Man From Utopia (LP, 1983) 32. Baby Snakes (LP, 1983) 33. London Symphony Orchestra Vol. I + II (LP, 1983 + 1987) 34. Boulez conducts Zappa: The Perfect Stranger (LP, 1984) 35. Them Or Us (2LP, 1984) 36. Thing-Fish (3LP, 1984) 37. Francesco Zappa (LP, 1984) 38. Frank Zappa Meets The Mothers Of Prevention (LP, 1985) 39. Does Humor Belong In Music? (CD, 1986) 40. Jazz From Hell (LP, 1986) 41. Guitar (2LP, 1988) 42. You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 1 (2CD, 1988) 43. You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 2 (2CD, 1988) 44. Broadway The Hard Way (LP, 1988) 45. You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 3 (2CD, 1989) 46. The Best Band You Never Heard In Your Life (2CD, 1991) 47. Make A Jazz Noise Here (2CD, 1991) 48. You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 4 (2CD, 1991) 49. You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 5 (2CD, 1992) 50. You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 6 (2CD, 1992) 51. Playground Psychotics (2CD, 1992) 52. Ahead Of Their Time (CD, 1993) 53. The Yellow Shark (CD, 1993) 54. The Lost Episodes (CD, 1996) 55. Have I Offended Someone? (CD, 1997) 56. Mystery Disc (CD, 1998)

Looks like a Fender Stratocaster! I'll be (vaguely) interested to learn whether he plays it on this date.

I hear you. Thanks to Spotify I can take a careful approach. It seems that all the titles are already on Spotify, whether or not the CDs have yet been released. Whether I can get past the things I don't warm to - the 'humor' I don't share and the jazz rockery which I find a little mechanical - remains to be seen.

I thought Green always played a hollow body of some kind - what's he got there?