David Ayers

It doesn't matter what the Onion's rationale is. Even on their implied terms they are saying there can be legitimate reasons to use offensive racial epithets. But all they are doing is using hate speech and people have to stop. It's just manners, really. Why defend it as if it were the product of genius? And a deeper question here about why people look for an excuse to express antisemitism. Try to be nice. Just stop.

Really? You think it's correct to prosecute a satirical publication for racism? Yes. Here the question of interpretation lies in the offence given. In this article, an individual is slurred with racial epithets. That offends Jews, not just him. Otherwise the excuse for racism becomes 'oh I was only joking'. In any case, what happens in a joke? This joke focalises racial aggression. There is no point in dignifying it by analysing its layers. In my book this is actually classic anti-semitism. The message to Jews is: look, you have to put up with this language, one of your kind has stepped out of line - watch out, there's plenty more where this came from. That's completely absurd. This joke does the opposite of focalize racial aggression and the only way to figure that out is to understand the context -that is, to analyze its layers. The whole point of this joke is to lampoon the patronizing attitude of most Americans (and particularly Dan Snyder) who keep saying that "Redskins" is not racially offensive even though this is the easiest and cheapest opinion for those people (since they are not themselves Indians) to have. It does this by setting up an analogous example that's OBVIOUSLY AND INTENTIONALLY racially offensive to point out that these same people would never stand for it if their ethnicities were caricatured like this. It has nothing to do with making Jews "put up with this language" and everything to do with illustrating the ways in which powerful people make others put up with the same kind of language every day. No. I understand the supposed layers, and I am saying the layering is deeper than that, uncontrollable, rests on and reproduces prejudices which the 'wit' of a jejeune copywriter cannot shape. Why should people have to listen to this language. This is easily understood if we reflect that the equivalent language would not have been used if the supposed offender were black. A key to getting out of racism is to show people that what they thought was humor is in fact just racism. I can't even say that those who wrote this or find it funny have no ill-will towards Jews, but lets say that the perpetrators and defenders of the remarks as they see it are 'in good faith', it is exactly that sense that one means no harm that is at stake, here, in the question of the Redskins name. That is, it cuts both ways. This style of remark would only ever have been aimed at a Jew and not at any other race. '

Really? You think it's correct to prosecute a satirical publication for racism? Yes. Here the question of interpretation lies in the offence given. In this article, an individual is slurred with racial epithets. That offends Jews, not just him. Otherwise the excuse for racism becomes 'oh I was only joking'. In any case, what happens in a joke? This joke focalises racial aggression. There is no point in dignifying it by analysing its layers. In my book this is actually classic anti-semitism. The message to Jews is: look, you have to put up with this language, one of your kind has stepped out of line - watch out, there's plenty more where this came from.

Ha ha! What i want to know is, if I ordered it, would have been sent to you?

Should we start a poll and vote on which one goes? Damn you, Chris Pearson!

Are Poll Winners Spanish or Andorran or what? They don't appear on the Fresh Sound website, and in fact not all these PD labels do. All a bit impenetrable.

Then it's me or him! One of us has to go!

So I have this in my amazon basket (to monitor the price). And there's a note. 'For Chris Pearson's wish list.' I don't know anyone of that name. And I never saw this tag appear before. So... Anyone got any idea about this?

And re. Guy's original point, if you go on amazon nowadays to look for KoB it's a nightmare...

FWIW I compared the PW to the OJC on Spotify and the mastering sounds identical (at least in that limited medium) and the PW has an extra track, if that;s any consolation. Still it's annoying to always have to shop like a detective to avoid versions we don't want. At least somebody cares enough to keep issuing this stuff!

In the UK the Onion could be prosecuted for racism, correctly in my book. In case you are interested in the bizarro-world version of this, check this out http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-24422742

What he said. There are so many of these PD versions around you always need to check. Caveat emptor.

I love late Lloyd and while it is weird to hear him cover standards and 'pop' tunes the fleet and fast passagework is, as ever, a delight. And Moran is no slouch!

It is not marked promo, and in any case I doubt for a promo anyone would go to the trouble of editing down an existing booklet, let alone creating a new inner tray image.

Get it all in one fell swoop: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Jazz-Recordings-CD10-Andre-Previn/dp/B006ZVI06E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1382527546&sr=8-1&keywords=andre+previn

i find alternates often a dilution, but they are skippable. It is when we are given all the takes from a live recording with all the solos restored that had been previously edited out that I start to get really bored. We need nerdy folks to do the spadework and know what's there but then someone has to rein them in before they shower us with just absolutely everything. (Miles at the Blackhawk! Come on!)

I recently bought the Lloyd/Moran album from an amazon seller. It arrived without a cardboard sleeve but that was no problem. Then I notice the booklet is a simple foldover, and when I check online I see there is (as usual) a multi-page booklet for this album. One of the photos from the 'proper' booklet appears on the inside of the rear tray insert. The CD itself has 'universal' on the inner rim but not the reference to the plant and place of manufacture normally found. I have never seen one of these before but I conclude it is legitimate, perhaps with a small production economy to fit some local market (other than UK etc). Anyone seen this kind of issue? Surprised it is the first I've seen.

Good idea for a thread, not sure how I fit in. For me it was certain chart things that really got me into music. As the thread is about albums, I can say the first album artist I followed was David Bowie, then after that a move to non-chart with King Crimson. Once you are hearing KC you are already hearing British free improv, so when a few years later I first accidentally bought an Ornette Coleman record (James Blood Ulmer, Tales of Captain Black, in fact) then I was hooked on him, followed by Coltrane, Dolphy, Shepp, Ayler, Taylor, and other things I read about in The Freedom Principle, including those (over here) bastard-arse hard to find Nessa albums (ah but when you stumble across Saga of the Outlaws in the second-hand rack...). So my jazz obsessions were quite a few tracks/albums of Ornette (Atlantics, Golden Circle, some bootlegs) and JC (all the Impulses!), with Far Cry, Fire Music as major obsessions, and a big impact from my earliest Ayler and CT albums, Witches and Devils and Dark to Themselves. I guess I should add EP's Saxophone Solos as another favorite and big step into the abstract. After that the earth has never moved. After 20+ years of following classical and attending many performances, I'm still just getting used to it. Too grown-up to get over-enthusiastic I guess, which is a pity. But, you know, lots of favorite 'pop' songs and even some albums which do more for me than most of the other stuff I actually listen to...

i figure with selling that you not only get some cash but you are selling instead of buying, so you also save what you would have spent...

Well not quite, but I get phases where I like to have purges....

Breathe out (if only to allow for sharp intake of breath): £157.99 Woah. Haven't had the supposedly automated email yet. BUT, the first-advertised pre-order price sometimes drops sharply... sometimes. No wonder Herbie looks so hacked off.... 116.99 at Sainsbury's http://www.sainsburysentertainment.co.uk/en/Music/CD/Herbie-Hancock/The-Complete-Columbia-Albums-Collection/product.html?product=E11273913

You are so sensible! But you are right, and I scratched my itch for the Getz on Spotify, so no harm done... except... except....

Just some, uh, general advice from someone who went to pull out his Getz Roost set and then remembered.....

I did wonder if the left and right hand parts has been recorded separately at points....

That's because Manfred Eicher wasn't involved in producing it. So there isn't his usual emo-coma mode! As in, you basically confirmed what everyone has a problem with ECM/him. Well, yeah, but he issued it, didn't he?