David Ayers

MG - I'll pm you when I'm not on the fly...

@MG - if you had time, one use of spotify would be to start a playlist of the African stuff you like so we can share a little without maybe investing in the old K7s with you....

Under your name? I can only see Woyzeck's Death and American Song Project here in the UK. Spotify license content and the name of the company that licensed it can be seen on the album page. That is something you could look at. I don't know what the contract is with Soundcloud when material is uploaded. Are you sure you're not doing an MG?

Some things may never be digitized. But those that are will all be distributed online. The only question is how. What do you think is going to happen?

Oh OK thanks - I thought you meant something CD-related - got it!

Not sure what is the 'factory in China' you are talking about but a lot of intra-EU investment is going to Poland now because conditions are right in various ways. I really don't think exploitation comes into it though someone might weigh in and explain why I am wrong. There seem to be few CD plants in Europe - does anyone know the story on this?

MG's hard drive is safe! That was fun

Thanks for posting.

I know this from LP. Apparently the OJC has the wrong bonus track (from a compilation). The Fresh Sound has the correct bonus (which is the one featured in the youtube clip). I remember buying it for the fact it was all on bass clarinet and I had never seen another album all on that instrument. Apart from the Murray I wonder if there are others led all the way through by b. cl.?

Glad he went through the set so carefully before he posted.

Another one - bit OOP maybe....lean and sharp

When I saw that photo I literally tasted cigar.

My move from music "ownership" through CD or download into streaming is only bringing my music consumption into line with my other cultural consumption. I watch several films a week, either in the cinema or through streaming or DVD hire - nothing is "owned". But it's with my reading that your capitalist model is defeated, Bev. Nearly all the books I read come from Manchester Public Libraries or University of Manchester Library - for free! Ah yes - and the authors lose a great deal of income...

Blimey. Have you heard any of them...? Found a York Bowen Phantaisie-rhapsody thingy for bass clarinet and string quartet.

With Bev on Dolphy's bass clarinet as an early fave - Green Dolphin Street! - and also loved discovering John Surman's use of same. Unlike so many jazz musicians on a 'second' instrument, ED obtained a beautiful tone and, as others have said, played it well throughout its registers and not just for effect. Made me love the instrument and still listen keenly for B.Cl passages in classical concerts. It helps that ED's B.Cl. was sometimes so well-captured in the recordings. Have we mentioned Broetzmann's use of it? Not at all the same thing but I'm an enthusiast of PB as what he is so I am glad to see him pick it up. Trying to think who composed any chamber music for B.Cl. Not even Hindemith who got as far as a sonata for double bass and covered bassoon and oboe in his sonata writing, but apparently even for him B.Cl was not sonata-worthy. There must be something out there I don't know though, I don't have a much knowledge of chamber music.

Don't understand the question. That was in response to David Ayers' post. Either that or he abstains (or he is an indecent man). I'm saying that would be the logic as I know you know No-one here seems to have a problem streaming from youtube.

Historically the only performer on a jazz record who might have a royalty in her/his contract was the named leader. That was part of the entertainment industry's system of exploitation. The only decent thing to do is not buy those recordings.

Well you are right on the stream of CDs thing but when I do that I over-order and stuff arrives after I have lost interest (I'm very flighty apparently) especially pre-orders which are a bane.

Oh I used to hate how they took them out and filed them! BTW I'm not advocating supporting stores, exactly, I'm saying receiving CDs by mail gets on my wick. Probably internet ordering makes me spend more than I would even though per unit it is maybe 30% cheaper. There's a serendipity in stores I like too. But I guess I have no real collecting I do any more so for me it is more about fun. I'd never shop in stores for books, which are work, and which in any case I just want to access and mostly don't care to own (storage of slowly rotting wood-pulp issue...). And this is why I like streaming - minimal logistics. Unlike you guys I have stores local to me, great stores in central London, and I visit places too with great stores. And some with just NOTHING.

Well *part* of my thing about CDs is they are designed to be in stores and there is a crazy logic about internet mail order where you have to wait and wait. So part of me thinks either buy it in store and go home with it or just stream it WHEN YOU WANT IT. So it is about ergonomics and also ecology - the carbon footprint of home deliveries is much higher than store deliveries. In other words if I am going to buy CDs maybe I want the store or gig experience, otherwise i just want the instant gratification. This is all easy for me to say as i have a pile of stuff here and no need really to buy very much more....

works of art which cannot be understood in themselves but need some pretentious instruction book to justify their existence will never again find their way to the German people.

Time was the dedicated supported the bricks-and-mortar against online cd orders. These days the dedicated support the specialist online CD retailer against the amazons, or CD itself against downloads. There are even those who support downloads against streaming. Personally I support stores (or direct purchase at venues) and spend more there than online, and support streaming against download (which I now almost never do). I've been considering a move to 100% real world for my purchases. Not sure yet. Where do you guys stand on all this? (Old topic, just having a conversation...)

There probably *aren't* better editions, just different ones, though I think the way forward is to make a selection from the existing offerings on the London Symphonies and other later ones and then maybe go for the unfinished and incomplete Hogwood for everything up to 75 plus a smattering of others. Still missing a few but - hey...

If I ever get a set of the cantatas it will be a more modern one. Cheap, though, I'll grant you that