David Ayers

I played through all these again, finishing off with O of I, which needs a sonic upgrade (!). I tried to hear each one as an album in itself. Not easy, given the obvious narrative(s). Of the Elvin dates, I concluded Night Dreamer was the most powerful and consistent, the most great tunes and note-for-note memorable solos. Of the rest I found ASE the richest and most varied. Etcetera is appealing from all points of view but is a bit too deliberate in spots. More maybe later. Interesting exercise!

I like all kinds of music, country AND western.

And can't that warp a record? Slowly, over time? I don't know.....

I didn't realize the Ware was the one he released recently. It makes no sense to include it. When big companies do this they are accused of a rip-off. And compare the cost of this set to anything from BS/SN. For collectors, I guess.

Yes. An enjoyable luxury. Yes. For sure. But before installing it, think LP. Especially if you are not fond of shelving.

Glass Bead Games sits outside the period of the rest of the box. GBG and Izipho Zam were easily and cheaply available on CD for years. GBG is on Spotify for anyone who wants to audit before purchase. I can't stand GBG myself and sold it a long time ago. That might just be me. Same for Izipho Zam. Links to GBG and the Wilbur Ware album Clifford Jordan Quartet – Glass Bead Games Wilbur Ware – Wilbur Ware Super Bass Other titles seem not to be on spotters.

Going back over all this thread I have to say that I was (almost) ready to join Jim in the only superficially eccentric choice of Odyssey of Iska which really *is* a favorite listen of mine. I guess part of the reason for that is I rate the early Miles/Shorter higher than Shorter's own LPs - I don't think any Shorter album matches E.S.P. Yet I want to love the Shorter BNs more than I do. Most of them I never upgraded from McMasters, probably I should and have another go. Apart from anything else, I'm not convinced by some of the line-ups - Tyner, Morgan, Hubbard, Spaulding, Fuller (!), even maybe have to say Elvin Jones are not really right. For me at least E.S.P. blows it all away.

Good one. I assume this combines the two earlier boxes. I don't have those CD sets and by amazing coincidence I was just thinking about this before I opened organissimo....

I hit HMV today which reminds me that a good number of the CDs I buy these days come from bricks and mortar. Otherwise it is streaming for me, as I believe I keep mentioning.

Fascinating topic - thanks for sharing.

Just weapons? No tinned food or bandages? And how about one of those 'Last Days' brand hand-cranked ipods? And that calendar will still be going for months after the takeaway has uh left your system...

I thought i got most things from Amazon, and maybe I do, but when I reviewed my purchase history recently I found I had hardly bought anything in the past 3 years. Don't get it. Although I do suddenly have 2000 tracks on the cloud player. By the way you guys who don't buy downloads may find already that you own thousands on the amazon cloud

Thanks Flurin. That's Xmas taken care of...

Does it *have* to be boxed sets? I guess there are single discs that include interview snippets. Even the famous Eric Dolphy 'after you play music' is edited from an interview. I can think of one unofficial Ornette disc that has an interview (Tivoli, I think). But after that, er....

PS there is a JJ for sale for 100 pounds at a UK site if anyone is chasing it (not *mine*, obviously!).

Yep, just me, I guess. I have strange ears. In fact I played the sides with Feldman/Hayes maybe three times. You're right, they are really good. After the 5-tet 6-tet sides it *seems* deflating to come back to a quartet and shorter tracks, but it is really worth giving these some time in their own right. It also gives a sense of trajectory to the set to loop back into the quartet format that it started with.

Might make 50 great Christmas presents...

Same here on suddenly OOP Stuff. Re. strange ears; that's probably quite a few of us round here

The three Jordan/Hubbard/etc tracks which kick off that side are marvelous. The quartet with Feldman is maybe best auditioned without the unissued tracks, IMO. ...Although, the issued version of Mohawk is better and the unissued Turnpike is over-long...

And finally on to JJ #7. Some good stuff.

Someone maybe can set me straight, but when I hear Parker playing walking bass I have a few questions. Am I alone?

I can't refer you to the relevant thread as it was in the defunct politics forum, but I believe a certain Edward Snowden blew the whistle on these covert releases some time ago. Look what happened to him. just sayin'

I. Would. Not. Be. Without. This. Set.

Got to JJ #6. Nearly there...

MG and Jim both have good points. Jim's last point - that there is oversupply of of music and musicians - is the basic point. If all the people who had written a first-time novel came out demanding a living wage fro their work...well, I don't need to explain why that is a nonsense and could never happen. It is sweet that people feel so defensive of the earnings rights of the (often dead) musicians they admire, sweet too that they think jazz may be as worthy as the classical and opera genres which business likes to subsidy. But classical and opera are sell-out genres and much outside certain mainly U.S. institutions jazz - whose history is more or less over - is unlikely ever to [...insert opinion here...]. Breakfast time!