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In Ira Gitler´s book "Jazz Masters from the 40´s " is an extended story where Jackie McLean tells, how he was introduced to Bud through his brother Richie, who during that time didn´t play but started later. I find a lot of Bud´s influence in Richies playing especially on the Mercury LP "At Basin Street" (Brown/Roach). On the faster tracks he comes very near to Bud´s groove, but not as good as Bud. As was told here, Richie had interesting voicings of his own and he could have been a very good composer, had he lived longer. He´s originals on the mentioned Brown/Roach album are very very nice tunes....

he´s still alive? To bad I missed him many years ago when he played at Jazzland in Viena. Anyway, I don´t know much more about him that the tune "The Street Beat", and heard the original version much later. First I knew it only from the 1950 date Bird with Bud and Fats......

Yes, that´s some thing you never give away. Anyway, it was a special day for me when I finally had that 3 LP. I´d say it changed my whole musical live, opened up my mind. Imangine, I heard Mingus before I heard Parker. Got to buy Parker records because I dug that "Parkeriana" so much and said, if that´s the guy who taught Mingus that stuff, he must be a gas, got to get all his records. And it made me open to the New Thing. From Mingus with Dolphy to Free Jazz, and back to bop. So, this 3 LP set was the "center" of everything I would listen to afterwards......

Yes I know about it, the Newport Rebels. And I know the foto, always was quit amused there are more dogs in the background than "audience" or "fans", or did the dogs dig what they heard, maybe ! But now that I´m reading the Mingus Book "Mingus Speaks", he stated that he was not pleased with OC on stage and that he sounded poor when he tried to play a standard. Well I know the version of Ornette Coleman of Parker´s "Klaktoveesedsteene" with Paul Bley. Ornette isn´t that bad, plays some fresh stuff on it, but I think after one chorus he lost the form or wasn´t interested anymore in the form. Well, maybe Max Roach later changed his mind, maybe when he himself started to go more "far out", and.....last not least, didn´t Max record with Cecil Taylor......and compared to Cecil Taylor, OC is almost traditional..... And the stuff Max did around 1985 with just a string quartet, (not the double quartet, only drums and a classical stringquartet): Sounds like the stuff Ornette Coleman would do with strings with Denardo on drums, it sounds very similar to that.....

Actually, the 3 LP set on the America Label was one of my first jazz albums. The french America Label was the best way to purchase Mingus stuff during that time in Europe. Yes, it sounds much better than the CD, and my CD has another version of "So long Eric", without Johnny Coles. On the 3 LP set it´s mistitled "Goodbye Porkpie Hat" and is the only number on which Johnny Coles plays (he collapsed on stage). I never understood, how the tune could be mistitled that way, because "So Long Eric" and "Goodbye Porkpie Hat" don´t have nothing in common.

he really did? To me, he always looked and behaved very gentleman-like, very intellectual. And as open and free much of his outputs were (starting with his 1962 "Speak Brother Speak", it seems strange to me he hated OC´s music. I have thought, he is one of the bop fathers, who made the transition, the way how he opened his music to more avantgarde stuff and political messages.

He really was a great musician, and so flexibel. Could play anything. He was also very good on some live recordings he did with Dexter Gordon, where he plays some really exiting piano. I also love his contributions on those marathon sessions "Montreux Summit" 1977, where he shared keyboards (electric and acoustic) with Bob James and does everything from bop to electric.

Besides the interview for Taylor´s book "Notes and Tones", there´s lot inside information about Max Roach in an old german book from the late 70´s done by Gudrun Endress, with a long and very interesting interview with Max Roach. Others, about all from let´s say 1976-1978 were done with Elvin Jones, Art Blakey, Ornette Coleman, and many many others...... I´d also be glad to read a full bio about Max Roach. He is one of my idols, one of the musicians I love most. Was lucky to see him live on several occasions, always great, I´ll never forget that as long as I live.

It´s strange, I always thought it´s my fault that I don´t like Peckin ´Time as much as I like other Mobley albums. Havent listened to it for quite a long time. Want to give it a try again.....

To bad I never caught him live. One of my favourites, and maybe the first drummer who really impressed me. See, my first "jazz album" was "Steamin´" by Miles Davis, where I noticed his fantastic solo on "Salt Peanuts". I love everything he did, he was one of the greatests.

I also noticed that BN recorded Blakey live on much more occasions than other musicians. About the other artists: Yes, "Night of the Cookers" with Hubbard was one of my first from the other live recordings. I´d like to mention "On View at Five Spot" by Kenny Burrell, also with Blakey. A nice little thing. Others: Horace Silver at the Village Gate Kenny Dorham at Bohemia Donald Bird at the Half Note Stanley Turrentine at Minton´s

I love everything he did, from the first quartets/trios to the electric stuff. And yeah, you can dig Ornette´s electric stuff like you should dig Miles´Agartha stuff.

Yesterday I went to see Lou Donaldson at "Porgy and Bess", the great Viennese club. Didn´t expect much from Lou, it´s natural he slowed down but I must admit he really played much more then I thought he´d be able to do. He still has his message and a lot of his licks from the great BN Years. Great musicians: Randy Johnson on guitar has played with him for a long time, I love the way he plays. The big surprise for me was Akiko Tsuruga on organ. The lady really cooks ! And I think I heard the great japanese drummer Fushuki Tainaka on other occasions. Of course the same tunes that anybody knows who has listened to Lou, but anyway it was really fun and we all enjoyed that wonderful evening.

Anyway it´s easier for me to post, when a thread is new, so it´s okay with me even if there may be older threads. Well no question, Hank is one of my favourites. But I must admit, that I discovered him quite late. When I started listening to jazz (70´s), the BN Label was disappearing, only a few albums left, most of them OOP. they started those LA Series douple LPs, but none of those was dedicated to Hank as much as I remember. The only one with Hank was "Blowing Sessions", which combined the Johnny Griffin session with Trane and Hank, the other was that Blowin In from Chicago with Cliff Jordan/John Gilmore. Well, I loved that Blowing Session, Griff and Trane, but didn´t pay much attention to Hank, from my point of view (when I was a teenager) he didn´t have that kind of fire. Same with the Davis LPs from around 1961. Well I started to like Hank´s playing on that live recording with Miles, but I had to wait until I was 30 , 35, to really DIG what Hank did. Then I became a Hank addict and within a short time I got many many of his recordings.

Well Bob James really does his jazz thing on that Montreux Summit from 1977, where he´s together with George Duke. IMHO , Bob James, when playing "jazz", sounds a bit more abstract, maybe a litte into the Tristano thing, I don´t know how to describe it, but though I´m not too familiar with all his big hits from the 70´s , I think he´s someone who really knows all the stuff and could or would play everything from straight ahead to far out to "Nightcrawler" and stuff......, great musician no question......

Well I love it the way Dolphy plays, and Donna Lee played a little more "outside" must be a gas, like the way he played Hot House, or as he blew on that Parker mixture "Parkeriana" with Mingus. I must admit, I never really got into Phil Woods. Heard some stuff he did with Richie Cole I think, , but it is not the kind of stuff that really made me happy, though they really can play all that stuff.

Great to hear that. I love his music.

That´s also my problem, right now I don´t have the time for listening. If its not the tune on tne Bennie Green album, I´ll have to listen to many BN from the 50´s to find the tune. I still believe it could be under another title, and it really has strong relations to the way Benny Golson writes. Anyway, a really nice tune like many from that period. Not hard to remember, easy to play , just a nice little tune.....

Thank you ! Well yes, I got that album but haven´t listened to it recently. So I´ll give it a listening again. Yes, I was sure it must have been on some BN album. I got all 3 Benny Green albums on BN, but must admit I didn´t pay much attention to them after listening 2 or 3 times.

well I don´t have no box, but after I posted that question, the melody came thru my mind with the chord progressions and all, as it usually does if I got some music in my head. Well, in my head, in my mind it sounds like some Benny Golson stuff, the way it´s composed, and how the chords run. Maybe it´s under another title on some early Lee Morgan BN stuff, because Golson wrote a lot of stuff for Lee during that time. We´ll see what´s about that tune.....

Hello ! On my CD the composer of that tune is "unknown". But the tune sounds so familiar to me, I´m sure I heard it on some other record from about that time, with another title. I´m not sure, but it might be on a BlueNote album of some BN Artist, maybe Art Blakey or Lee Morgan. Maybe, on a Prestige -Album, anyway something from that period. Does somebody have an idea, what´s the name of the same tune on other recordings. Since I don´t remember where I heard it before and don´t remember the title, it would be hard for me to listen through all my BN , Prestige, Riverside - albums because I got hundreds of them.....

Did Mr. Shepp retire? Had a look on his hp last week, no current activities.....

I remember his playing with Woody Shaw early in 1983. Anyway, he was very much in action and anybody who attended live concerts, sure had the chance to hear him. Such a great pianist, great musician. I saw him at least with Art Blakey several times, with Woody Shaw of course, and with Benny Golson-Curtis Fuller (this might have been the last time I saw him, around 2000 I think. Always wondered why he didn´t appear more often during the last years. So called "Jazz Festivals" in my country got all those "Jamie Cullums and Jane Monheits" but they missed to feature really jazz artists. I often wondered why they didn´t feature people who really p l a y jazz.....

Yeah that´s where I heard him first: that date with Teddy Charles from about 1952, where they do also a weird version of Night in Tunisia. It´s on the second side of that strange record "Lee Konitz-Miles Davis"