neveronfriday

Christiania, the famous free state, has several concert venues (Loppen, Jazz Club, etc.), but I have no idea what's playing at the club. Loppen is more the rock-oriented place with jazz at times. The Jazz Club website (just checked) hasn't been updated since the summer jazz festival (typical for those folks ... things follow a different rhythm down there). BTW: All the daily newspapers have extensive live music listings (Thursday edition? Can't remember ... ask at the hotel). Sorry for the fragmented posts here ... it's a bit hectic at this end. Gotta run ...

Cozy jazz music store ("The Jazz Basement") right next to one of Copenhagen's coziest - in the summer - square (Gråbrødre Torv). Address: Jazz Kælderen Skindergade 19 1159 København K Pretty small place, knowledgeable people, only a Danish web presence. They often have CD launches, etc. Sushi as well now, as I just saw. http://www.jazzmusic.dk/

BTW: Post the dates of your visit here. If it's going to be in October. I'll probably be there for about 3-4 days before travelling further up north. I could show you around one day (the clubs are all over the place ... bus rides on the excellent public transport system which basically runs all night involved). Edit: Oops ... reading helps. When in October?

I have to make this really quick. Send me a PM with further questions. I'm really busy right now and don't know how elaborate I can be when answering those. There are tons (!) of tiny jazz and music clubs around Copenhagen (literally hundreds, if you count the many small cafés that often have live music on the weekends). Some of the best jazz I heard in those places. If you've got the time, try a jazz club guided tour: http://www.jazzguides.dk/english.htm Those people can help you sift through what's available. The Copenhagen City Guide (available at most hotels) used to list the main concerts and clubs, but asking around often gets you into much better and cozier venues. Haven't been there for two years, but a quick skip around the Net told me that my fave haunts are still around: 1) La Fonatine: http://www.lafontaine.dk/ A tiny plcae not too far away from the townhall square. One street down towards the water from the walking street. Tiny place which used to offer beer crates for seats, but great atmosphere on Fridays/Saturdays with live jazz. Used to be a regular place for Kjeld Lauritzen's various organ trios (think Organissimo). No idea if it still is. If lucky, a DK jazz great might walk in and jam along. They only have "Hi-Fi Jazz" Monday-Thursday (radio/CD/LP) but live music Fr/Sa 23:00 - 03:00 and Su 21:00 - 01:00. 2) Copenhagen Jazz House: http://www.jazzhouse.dk/ This one basically "replaced" the well-known Montmartre Jazz club. That's where the big acts play. Check out what's on the programme. I've got more recommendations ... but not right now. No time. Would need to google for the programs of about 40 to 50 cafés/restaurants/clubs I frequented these past 25 years to see what they're offereing when you're there. P.S.: The last time I was there, Bob Rockwell was alive and well and especially active with people like Casper Villaume, Jesper Bodilsen and the "former students of Ed Thigpen" (my term) crowd. He was playing all over town all year round.

Well, of course, they certainly shwing.

Hm. Err, ... ... you've got something there. I just don't know what. It's definitely far too straight to have anything to do with my roots, and it's too middle of the road to really be a genuine German one, so, I guess, I would go with the Northern European influence. P.S.: It's funny how these threads get derailed once in a while.

I believe the poll title is misspelled. It should be "shwing". Sorry, but can't vote until that has been fixed.

Kindred spirits ... surely. Just quickly: Is that an American "medium nose" or a German-style "medium nose"? If it is the latter, we're actually (statistically) talking about a very large nose. Just wanted to clear that up.

Yes, you're probably right, and I like that quote. But ... there are many bands out there who haven't been gobbled up by the industry yet. I have no idea if the Mars Volta have, but here goes an anecdote. A few years back I walked into this rather small venue which had this wild-looking poster up front, screaming "The Mars Volta! Live!". I had never heard of them and actually just wanted an hour of relaxation after a tough day at a conference. To say I was blasted out the door backwards again as I tried to get in is an understatement, but when I had finally managed to grab hold to a table bolted to the floor, I noticed this: I didn't really like the music I heard, but it had so much raw power and a fun (partly ... if you consider some of their gloom and doom tracks) vibe to it that it turned out to have been one of the most refreshing musical experiences of the past years. I loved that concert. Everyone in there was about 100 years younger than me, but the band swept me away completely. What an evening.

I'm actually thinking of changing that to AlwaysOnSaturday. Or FrequentlyOnSunday. Let me have a Caracas Libre while I consider my options.

Do this: a) Walk to next mirror (unless you removed them all ... as I did); b) and have a look at your profile. c) Large nose = common ancestors very likely! Welcome to the family. d) Stubby, average ... something = common ancestors not bloody likely.

Ah, you remember the old moniker. Might be confusing for a lot of people. Re Ringo: I've always been a gut-feeling kind of guy and what has fascinated me about his playing is that you can actually hear that he was having fun. I have absolutely nothing theoretical or else to back that up with (although I often notice that loose and relaxed approach to what he was doing), but there are so many tunes that just ooze that "fun" vibe and that is something that - in my eyes (to my ears) - has become more and more rare. There are too many highly-skilled drummers out there today that have had excellent schooling from before they were able to walk and are today, often at a rather young age, able to play things that people a decade or two before them wouldn't have been able to wrap their brains around. And then they start playing ... and it bores me. To. Death. It all sounds so forced and so damn polished, every note placed meticulously and every other tune streamlined to death. Sometimes you can even predict this or that change just because their upbringing and teaching told them to shift the beat, to insert a radically different break or to entirely drop out of a song just to "surprise" the listener. It's like watching those formulaic slasher films in which you just know that someone had planned that one single scene nobody was supposed to expect. Nevertheless, if you have seen more than 5 or 10 of those films, you know that it's time for that "surprising/let's trick the audience" moment ... again. Predictable. Boring. Tiring. In short, I never get/got that feeling when I listen to Ringo play, and that makes him an excellent drummer in my book. Everyone else's mileage may vary considerably on this. You know, I've ranted and raved against Charlie Watts' style for ages, simply because I thought he played the same beat over, and, over and over again, but today, as I have grown older, I'm beginning to appreciate that approach a lot more as well. Yes, predictable like hell, but so much better than all that modern wanking too many players display who are, unfortunately, idolized by the next generation of drummers growing up. Note: Yes, there is a slew of excellent drummers today as well, I know, but ...

I'd modify that a bit: "Maybe we'll start to see some more decent Garner audio releases too!" The estate's policy has lead to a multitude of absolutely crappy Garner releases from all around the globe. It's really difficult to sort through that slush pile to find stuff that has halfway decent sound. Yes, it odes exist, but ...

Ringo Starr, warts 'n all, is/was a severely underrated drummer. Yes, quirky at times and - as he often admitted himself - not good enough here or there, but what he laid down on those tracks just fits. Some of it is actually quite difficult to get just right. Ringo contributed a lot to that group sound, added to its charm (the only word I can think of right now) and I often try to imagine what it might have sounded like, had modern and technically brilliant (but often completely lifeless) drummers such as Chad W(h)ackerman, Terry Bozzio, Gregg Bissonette, that Rush dude or any of the others played for the Beatles. Makes me shudder. I neither know nor care if it was more by accident than anything else, but Ringo very often just seemed to come up with what was near perfect for a song (and in that way, he was actually a very musical drummer). Or it's all just because I've heard so much of the Beatles' music that I simply couldn't imagine them without Ringo's contribution? No idea.

Hm. Maybe I shouldn't have mentioned that? Compared to many others here (I started a thread on audio equipment as deus62 here a few years back), my system really sucks. Old Marantz A-class (I'd call it "consumer") amp and one of their CD players, a pair of pretty decent Dynaudio speakers (1.8 MkII). That's it. Cost a fortune way back when ... today, on eBay, you could probably get it for a lot (!) less. I'm happy with it, but in my dreams, I'd buy ... and ... upgrade ... *groan* Never enough cash. The important thing: If the music sounds good to you on the system you have, that's a good system for you, no matter what it cost(s). Cheers!

Thanks! I haven't seen "probity" used online since, uhm, 1992? I like the sound of that word.

If it keeps Mosaic well afloat, why not? Couldn't care less if they published the Britney Spears remasters, incl. a fold-out calendar and a blow-up doll. I don't have to buy the set. And, I think a lot of people on here are underestimating The Bing's fan base. A 1000 units? Lol Add at least one zero to that.

Yeah, before I get booted off here: As a collector (who also happens to like music, first and foremost ... what a coincidence), I bought both the mono and the stereo boxes. Yes, not everything is perfect, but I got my money's worth, much more so than with one or t'other Mosaic set that I was sonically (more than) displeased with. And although hearses don't have luggage racks, I'm taking ALL of my Mosaics AND the Beatles remasters with me. I know, good riddance, as some of you might say, at least in case of the Beatles. Seriously though, the Mono mixes are what attracted me to the Beatles eons ago, and I, personally, am enjoying the hell out of that box. The stereo remasters reactivate some of my schizophrenic tendencies at times, but they are equally good. On my system, which is middle-of-the-road for about $8000 or around there, this stuff sounds (almost) tremendous. Finally, a bunch of sound engineers who didn't go over the top or go with the flow. In my mind, what they produced is proof for the fact that we old farts (yep, that includes you) need to be catered to. I'm old-fashioned enough not to give a hoot about the other three trillion people. And crickets? I lived in Venezuela long enough to know what they should sound like. They've only lost the tips of their wings here or there, so no complaints from this side of the pond. Cheers!

Be allowed to keep it? You said yourself that aloc changed his own avatar; nobody forced him to. Likewise, Berigan could choose to change his (which he has done from one that some people considered really offensive (why the Joker is offensive is beyond me) to this one, which is just childish but also somewhat funny.) I guess I just have a thick skin. I don't get upset by people who I know completely disagree with me politically using a silly picture as their avatar. Is it a political statement outside the political forum? I guess so. Are we going to be that strict with the rules? In that case, I know of some aliases that should be deleted, post-haste. A couple people should probably be banned right now, too. Then we can institute a massive crack down and everybody can tip-toe around trying not to offend each other and the moderators can have fun censoring the crap out of everything. Let's get rid of all material that could be deemed sexist or sexual in nature. Any avatar that is suggestive at all or any pictures in a signature. Might offend someone. In fact, let's just do away with the ability to post pictures. Too risky. Let's get rid of all material that could be offensive to a certain religion or belief structure. I'm sure that would make the Catholic contigient here very happy. In fact, let's not talk about religion at all. Too much of a slippery slope. Politics, too. Let's get rid of it. Let's get rid of all material of opinionated nature that might upset those who don't share that opinion, be it about art or music or literature or movies or TV or sports or what have you. Want to say you think Wynton sucks? Sorry, can't do it. Might offend somebody. In fact, let's just not talk about art at all. It's too subjective. "Boy, the Browns really stunk up the joint yesterday, didn't they?" Deleted. Sorry, might offend someone. No talking about sports. Too much emotion. Won't this place be splendid then? Gosh, I'd visit every day just to see a couple people talking about... nothing. I'm being a bit mean-spirited, but I just get tired with the notion that somehow people think they have a right not to be offended by something. Yes, it's bending the rules a little bit to have an avatar that is political in nature. Same with a signature quoting a political figure (what constitutes a political figure? Could Bono be considered a political figure or is he simply an artist?) But c'mon people. TURN OFF THE COMPUTER. It's not that big of a deal. Hm. This is the result of not having a clear stance on what goes and what doesn't. That's all. One day it's this, the other day it's that, depending on the moment. I've seen you take a clear stance for complete free speech, and I've seen you rant against the results of that stance. Gotta make a decision at some point. Sorry. You may kick me off now.

Sad, but more than understandable.

If anyone sees an Amazon.fr preorder link, let us know here. Each new box is usually much cheaper (around Euro 30.- instead of Euro 40.-) when ordered a few weeks/months before.

A great set! Now listening to: Various Artists: Jazz In Sweden 1949-1961 - The Legendary Years (Rhino) disc 1 Disc 1 contains superb recordings by Harry Arnold and his Swedish Radio Studio Orchestra from 1957-61, among the first rate soloists are: Bengt-Arne Wallin, Benny Bailey, Ake Persson, Arne Domnerus, Bjarne Nerem, Lucky Thompson, Bengt Hallberg, Egil Johanssen I bought myself both of these boxed sets after having heard about them here first, in this thread. Thanks for the heads up, guys. Great stuff. P.S.: Why do these Japanese boxed sets (Jazz in Sweden) never have English notes anywhere? Even the French usually put in an English section into their booklets. But not the Japanese. Argh!

The item was sent by mail ("Canada Post, 1 x 0.675kgs, Small Packets Surface, 1 to 3 months"). The postage was a bit stiff but well worth it at this speed. I'll keep them on my bookmark list for dependable shops. Like you said, well-stocked on imports, so it's a place to check out for specialty items I might not be able to get elsewhere (anymore) or for unique items like the OP set that have not (yet?) appeared in Europe.

Vote #01.

I don't know how they (grigorian.com) did it, but I got this boxed set in less than 30 hours in my mail box ... out in the boonies in the south-western-most corner of Germany. Very impressive. I wish everyone around the globe was that fast and reliable! Because I had everything besides the unreleased material already (I have the old Verve CDs with the drumless trio and the Thigpen trio side by side), I just spent some time comparing sound (I used the Porter songbook) and am quite impressed. The new Canadian box is also good on the sonic side of things. Glad I ordered this box although the packaging (sleeves) is poor. It's a budget-priced set, so it's good enough for that, mind you. I'm glad I obtained the tracks I didn't have yet and my OP collection has had another glaring hole filled. Thanks to everyone here who altered me to this set! Cheers!