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What's the list....I'm too lazzzy to try and find it. -_-

Goodnight John Boy.

I think Papa John represents a lot of guys who were in the trenches playing organ in the 60's, 70's ect. So I have a lot of respect for anyone like that. However he, like a lot of organists, run into a heavy Jimmy Smith problem when it comes time to recording. Playing all those JOS tunes live is great, but when you make a record and you're still playing "Back at the Chicken Shack" and "Bucket"-type grooves, "Minor Chant," ect. Jimmy Smith is almost a genre to himself when it comes to organ. I think that's kind of the main snag with Papa John's style. But a lot of guys from his generation fell into that trap. Now it's Larry Young and Larry Goldings who are traping this generation. We'll see who escapes. Ultimately, none of us are above being overly influenced. I guess we'll see how hip we all are playing "Tyrone" when we're 65. I will say I have all the respect in the world for anybody who plays this instrument (and has carried it around all these years (Gene Ludwig anybody?!). Another thing that's been mentioned. Papa John can hit a groove and ultimately that's what makes everyone feel good. So more power to him. But as far as buying his records...well...I don't have any. But I only have a couple of Joey's so I guess that's not saying a whole lot. ...just a last thought. Seems like John Sr. is a nice enough guy. Hey, he played organ, was forced to be a plumber to raise the family. Then Joey became King Kong of the Organ and now dad gets to make a few CDs and play some gigs. Good for him. Sometimes (a lot of times) music is about just having a little fun and forgeting your worries. He's paid his dues. Not everybody can be the "coolest," "best," or "next big thing." Like a lot of us (and I include myself), he's just somewhere in the mediocre range. Hittin' a few tried and true licks and trying to get someone to clap when the song's over.

Does anybody have the big Blue Note Discography book, the new one? I wondered if they could look up the Patton sessions and see if there are any alt. or extra tracks on those sessions not on the originals of Along, Feel, Baby, Certain and Understanding. Thanks in advance.

Hey man, Eddie Gladden passes away and gets half the board action as Warren Zevon (no disrespect to Warren)? I thought this was a jazz board. B)

Welcome to the club Chuck. ...and yes, I totally agree with your point. "The Natural Soul" is super dark from my recollection. The japanese artwork on the Blue Notes is always so beautiful.

I saw the VH1 special a couple of days ago. It was a great special that showed the true power of music. Here he was living out his last days, and he spent them not on a beach, in the sun, with his family....but making music in a windowless studio. He seemed very, very couragious.

That's a bad ass disc. Nice picks.

Yeah, I thought they were really putting out some unreleased Patton when I saw the titles of those clips!!! Sadly, it was just a goof....Bennie Green songs. To bad!!!!

Just ordered the Patton. Thanks for the heads-up. Can't wait!

Hey, Big John is so unappreciated, I'll take anything I can get!!!! Anyway, I'm with you, a FULL Big John Mosaic would have been nice w/alternate takes and extra cuts. Those are the things I'm gonna miss most. The music we'll probably never get to hear...the unreleased stuff. But enough of that. I salute Mosaic and Cuscuna for appreciating Patton in a Select!

Dude, you said that about Baby Face Willette's Stop & Listen a month ago! You're off your rocker!!! You caught me!!! I wonder what will be my all-time favorite organ record next week? Oh well, enthusiasm isn't always the right backdrop for truth. ...(and by the way B3-er, it was "Face to Face!") B)

Was listening to "Natural Soul" tonight. Still maybe my all-time favorite organ record. The RVG really makes a big difference over the TOCJ as far as definition and low-end clarity. But honestly, I lived and breathed with an old scratchy vinyl copy of this for a long time and didn't seem to mind! John really made this one cook.

I hadn't heard this elsewhere, but John Patton's wife Thelma just told me Eddie Gladden passed away last week. Sad news.

I guess I'm an ingrate then. I'm not sure why we can question Johnny Cole's contribution to "The Waiting Game," or Rudy Van Gelder's remastering on "A Fickle Sonance," but not Bob Blumenthal's contribution to "Blue Train." Also, I think the "You guys are negative" is a copout of an argument. It's like saying "I win" without playing the game.

I never said I didn't like updated liner notes. However, I think getting some different perspectives (fresh) might not be a bad idea. Variety. I'm not nitpicking. The same sentence in the two liner notes just stuck out as I happened to be reading them back to back. That's all. Seemed a bit odd. I'm not saying Bob B. sucks, ect....crying out....screaming at the gods. Ingrate? Rather harsh.

I'm not sure exactly how the CDs are being distributed. Dan, what do you mean exactly by the above quote? Thanks.

I guess I'll let you decide for yourself.... From "Finger Poppin'" Selecting the most significant Horace Silver Quintet albums is a tricky business. Silver was simply too consistent as pianist, composer and bandleader, particularly during the years when he maintained a permanent touring ensemble. Still, there are obvious benchmarks in the Silver Quintet story. The initial Jazz messenger sessions (1954-55) that defined his style; Six Pieces of Silver (56), by his own first working band and with his hit "Senor Blues"; and Song For My Father (63-64), when he introduced a totally revamped personnel and enjoyed his greatest commercial success, are obviously on the list. So is this album, wherein three members of what came to be considered the classic Horace Silver Quintet made their debut. From "Horace Silver Trio" Selecting the most significant Horace Silver Quintet albums is a tricky business. Ever since he began his career as a bandleader in 1956, it has been hard to think of the name Horace Silver without the word quintet attached. Silver's immediate and ongoing success in presenting a unit with a two-horn front line tempts us to overlook his earlier triumphs in the trio format, sessions that were the source of his initial popularity. To me, it doesn't look as if he's intentionally using the same opening sentence for effect. Just that the same sentence seemed like a good opening, two different times. I guess it's all in the eye of the beholder. To me, along with the "Blue Train" notes, it seems like he might be tiring.

I like a more recent perpective myself. A lot of times, the original liners seem a little dated in retrospect. New liners CAN give more insight into the circumstances and times which the artist made the music. However, just like anything (including the orginal notes), if the writer isn't into it....it shows...and at that point, you're right.

Dustrygroove has gotten some of these in.... However, I'm confused. At Dustygroove, they list, for instance "The Way I Feel" as a 'Japanese Paper Sleeve', is this a JRVG or a Tocj with a different cover? I've got the Tocj, but might go for a RVG version. Thanks in advance.

Since when has AMG been right?

I guess I'll just go down with the ship on the CD format. I'm not into downloading and all that mess. I LIKE the CD. It's size....hey, I like artwork too...I don't want it any smaller. I think the CD/DVD is perfect. Except for the fact that they scratch...skip. Well, I'm not making any more format changes. Plus, I believe musicians are getting ripped off (again) by the constant downloading, sharing, and burning phenom. Music ISN"T free until musicians are allowed to live for free.

No, you have what is truely considered the "Ultimate"Blue Train. Blue Train on magnetic tape...just like the original master!

I happened to pull out Horace Silver's "Finger Poppin'" and "The Horace Silver Trio" RVGs today and was reading Bob B.'s liners one after the other. Then I noticed something.... Both sets of liner notes start with the SAME SENTENCE!!!! "Selecting the most significant Horace Silver Quintet albums is a tricky business." ....yeah, and I guess so is selecting an opening sentence Bob. Anyway, then I get the new RVG of "Blue Train" today. I figure, wow, this is such a landmark album I bet Bob Blumenthal couldn't wait to sink his teeth into this one after wading through stuff like Green's "Am I Blue" and others (Hey, I love AIB, but it's certainly no BT). Well, I guess not. Bob starts off by going over the tedious, well-worn "Blue Note has 2 days rehearsal vs Prestige" warhorse. Man, for such a landmark Blue Note session, I can't believe he didn't do more with the liner notes. Time for Blue Note to bring in some new blood on these RVG liners imho.

I reluctantly picked up the RVG of Blue Train today. I'm about re-re-re-issued out on some titles like "Blue Train" and "A Love Supreme." ....However, the SOUND on the RVG Blue Train, to my ears, is really a significant improvement. It's like you are THERE!!! So, goodby Ultimate Blue Train....make room for Rudy.