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Thanks for mentioning 1975 - so I can look for/at my own copy (thanks to inheriting my uncle's complete Downbeat collection, dating from ~1965-1990). That said, I'm sure a scan would be welcome by everyone here too!

BTW, I saw in the liners of the CD's of these two releases late last night, that the two cuts with Garnett and Joe Farrell were recorded in Dec 1966(!) -- where the two cuts with Garnett and Tyrone were recorded in Oct 1973. I'd definitely remembered that so much of this Henry Stadler stuff was all over the place, in terms of wildly different personnel configurations -- but I'd completely forgotten that the recording dates for these sessions spanned 7 years!! (So Garnett is on two different sessions from these CD's, from 1966 and 1973.) [BTW, I think the two, really long big-band cuts are really great. Shame they didn't come out together, on opposite sides of one LP -- the two cuts being 25 and 29 minutes in length respectively. Really would have made more sense to have programmed them together, as a unified set.]

This source, among other things, mentions that Garnett and Booker Little had some connection at some point (would have had to have been prior to Little's passing in Oct '61). Some other potentially interesting threads to pursue. I wonder if this event was recorded?? https://www.livemusicmovement.com/young-adult-perspective-on-trombonist-garnett-brown/

Thanks. Whoever did it, it may be a little on the 'low art' side of things -- but maybe that's why I like it so much. It's not trying to be much more than what it is -- or what it seeks to emulate, at least. Maybe I'm just a sucker for the whole 'retro' effect it conveys -- but sucker me in, it certainly did!!

Ah yes. I've got that BN issue of the Thad-Mell *Big Band* - with the tune. But good to know the 'Sunday Afternoon' version is w/ Corea/Elvin/Davis. Very much of interest to me, not enough to pay $30 or more for. But I'll set up an auto-search on eBay, and see if it doesn't turn up for more like $15 in the next few months. Thanks!!

Ah, so *not* the version of the band with Chick. But neither exactly a traditional Thad & Mel big band sort of thing either (yes, them - but not a larger group then). And guitar, interesting.

Some nice Garnett here (Track 6 of Frank Foster's Manhattan Fever), and he gets the first solo too. Maybe it's the style of the context he's in here specifically (somewhat driving, with static harmony and an incessant ostinato - a combo that's nearly always a winner with me), but this track has always been a standout from this CD.

Thanks. Can you check who the players are listed specifically on that track? (Thanks in advance!)

So on those 1967 VV tracks, what's the lineup on the version of "Bachafillen"? I could had sworn I saw it was the group with Chick (on Discogs), but the 3-disc set Jim linked to on Amazon seems to imply it's Thad & Mel. -- ??? (Cuz a version of the group with Chick covering that tune would be more interesting to me, than another Thad & Mel Orchestra version.)

I've never heard any of those Village Vanguard jam sessions (from 1967), but I think there's some CD reissue of part of them that includes "Bachafillen"(!) -- but I can't seem to find an on-line (streaming) upload of it to sample. Anyway, are those V.V. jam-session things from '67 worth tracking down? (I seem to think I remember reading mixed reviews of them -- none especially negative, but most saying they are pretty loose.)

From Brains on Fire (the expanded 2CD version), Garnette is on disc 1, track 1 -- and disc 2, track 4 (the very last track): "No Exercise" - 12:15 Bass – Reggie Workman Drums – Brian Brake Piano – Heiner Stadler Tenor Saxophone – Tyrone Washington Trombone – Garnett Brown Trumpet – Jimmy Owens "The Fugue No. 2" (Take 1 / Original Master) - 13:49 Bass – Barre Phillips Drums – Joe Chambers Piano – Don Friedman Tenor Saxophone – Joe Farrell Trombone – Garnett Brown Trumpet – Jimmy Owens And then from Retprospection, he's on tracks 1 & 3: "The Fugue #2" (Take 2) - 12:37 (same line-up as 'Take 1', right above -- with Joe Farrell) Pointed - 6:15 (same line-up as "No Excuse", up above, with Tyrone Washington)

Oh yeah, that's right! I saw Brains on Fire on the list in Garnett's discography, but I thought (*misremembered*) he was just part of that enormous German big band that's on just a couple long tracks (is that the NDR big band? - I'll have to look when I get home). But I'm seeing now he's part of several of the smaller-group tracks (including a couple more tracks from Stadler's Retrospection companion-compilation to Brains). Totally forgot he's more prominent on this material -- a full 45-minutes worth between both those releases, from what I'm seeing on Discogs.

I don't have a ton of recordings with Garnett, but then again, he didn't record as much as I wished (in the 60's in particular). He turned 30 in 1966 (born in 1936, and he's still with us, I think - or at least Wikipedia thinks he is). Love, love, LOVE his tone on the front line of Booker Ervin's 1966 album Heavy!!! -- and 'heavy' describes his tone and approach perfectly. That album opens with what must be Garnett's signature tune (unless I’mI unaware of anything else he wrote that got as much traction) -- "Bachafillen". He also recorded it (live) with Thad & Mel in 1967, and a they seem to have kept it in their book for a time, revisiting it in later years (iirc). The liners to the Thad & Mel disc I have (from '67) says Garnett did the big-band arrangement for them too (not surprisingly). But last night I noticed for the first time, that the Jazz Crusaders also recorded "Bachafillen" way back in 1964(!). And to the best of my knowledge (more, my recent Googling), Garnett never played with the Jazz Crusaders back then(?) - or at least he never recorded with them back then(?) -- but I am seeing he did play with/record with The Crusaders later, in the mid-70's. He's also in the band for a number of larger-group things I have (Tolliver (2x), Turrentine, Duke Pearson (2x-3x), Lou Donaldson, and several others). But other smaller-group settings where he really shines -- other than Booker Ervin's Heavy!!! (probably his ne plus ultra appearance on record) -- include Herbie Hancock's The Prisoner, and Frank Foster's Manhattan Fever, and Jack Wilson's Easterly Winds. Looks like he's also on Roland Kirk's, Slightly Latin, which I must have as part of that huge 10CD Kirk box (which I really should break out more often). Oh, and he's also on George Russell's Outer View. And I have one of those semi-recent semi-pro Euroboots (on 'Gambit') with two different live sets of Russell (in Bremen and Paris, 1964), with some WONDERFUL Garnette Brown (tons of soloing, iirc) -- 8 tracks, 78 minutes, everyone gets to stretch out -- heck of a nice document actually (for what it is). And I kept it especially because of the Garnett Brown factor. QUESTIONS: What other albums does he really get to shine on as a soloist? Any other good live documents of him in a smaller-group context? What's the story on "Bachafillen" having been recorded (without him!) by the Jazz Crusaders in 1964? Why didn't he get the chance to record more, in more small-group settings (in the 60's in particular)? He's SUCH a strong soloist. I guess it was a combination of the times (jazz sales falling off after 1965), and -- oh yeah, he played trombone.

Politics how? Can anyone be more specific?

Good to know!! I've been fine with my ancient CD copy of Iron Man, which appears to be the very first 1986 CD issue on Celluloid -- and have wanted to pick up the rest of the material for quite some time (but I've just never made it a priory). But if Resonance is going to release a more comprehensive version of this material -- including what I seem to remember being an alternate of the tune "Iron Man" itself (which I think came out only on this grey-market release out of Japan, called Muses) -- then I'd be all for an upgrade finally!!

Keep your eyes out for specific titles on ebay. Set up an automatic search, and limit it to your preferred media/medium (LP or CD). You can also set price-limits on each search, so it's quite easy to set up 20 or even 30 different automatic daily searches, with price-limits set more closely to your own personal threshold -- and then you'll get daily emails from eBay whenever anything comes up that matches your search criteria. I've got a couple dozen such searches set up -- some of them for some really obscure titles (that I rarely get a hit on but about once ever 2-3 months). Basically all you have to do is complete one search, further refine it by preferred media, and set a price-limit -- and hit "save search" -- and you'll get automatic emails every day (or however often there's a new match).

I will concede that Tyrone's language is all coming from a similar place. But it's a place I've come to really love. FWIW, I've never been able to get into Pharaoh Sanders or Archie Shepp (or at least not any of their 60's & 70's output). But Tyrone speaks to me pretty deeply, what can I say. Maybe it's the context that does it for me partially -- so called 'Avant Boogaloo' -- though little of the infamous 'Trainwreck' is especially 'boogaloo' in nature, and it still speaks to me a TON. Hello, it's not inaccurate to say that I dig Tryone more than most late-era Coltrane. (Of course, I've got nothing but the utmost respect for Trane, even if I've never really gotten bitten by that bug.) Not suggesting Natural Essence is even his very best appearance on album -- that'd be a toss-up between Roots and the Trainwreck, I'd imagine (at least for me). As always, your mileage may vary. (...and probably does!)

Decided to check out some more (earlier) Steve Kuhn just now, and discovered these 2 somewhat avant tracks from 1968 (Bonus: both piano trio only!). It really gets going about midway through (and quite nicely!)...

How can I find out who did this particular throwback "silver-age" comic portrait of Wayne? I'd love to get in touch with the artist, to encourage them to do a whole series of similar jazz comic-book portraits of various classic 60's Blue Note musicians. I'd buy an actual comic book (or small coffee-table book) of jazz artists done up in this style, in a heartbeat! Might even consider a higher donation even (aka Kickstarter), if that's what it would take to get the ball rolling. Edit: You all may think this sounds a little silly (and even I do typing it), but I had a really visceral and even primal sort of reaction to seeing Wayne done up this particular way. I hardly ever drag them out of the closet but about once every 5+ years (and hardly ever more frequently than that), but I have a good size box of several dozen DC Comics comic books (all from the early-mid 70's, up though the early 80's). But I'm here to tell you, seeing Wayne portrayed like this REALLY pushes my buttons, like I used to get out of collecting comics a bit as a kid (which I stopped by by sophomore year in high-school, and never got interested in collecting on any sort of on-going basis). Its like my biggest adult interest for the last 30 years (jazz), suddenly intersects with what 12-year old me dug mightily, and still remembers (but almost more subconsciously) all these years later. GREAT kindling to fire the imagination!

I suppose that's true, but it's still such a shocker to me that half-arguably(?) one of Gil's semi-signature tunes, would languish in obscurity like that, never getting a proper release for so long. 'Tis a puzzle!!

Can anyone comment on KD's appearance on Toshiko Akiyoshi's 1968 live album "Toshiko at Top of the Gate"? (On Nippon Columbia, if I've got my info right)

This is wonderful! Question: Is this part of the graphic novel??

I've had a copy of Iron Man on CD since probably 1991 (one of the first 30 jazz albums I ever owned, iirc). But I've never gotten around to picking up Conversations. It always seemed like Iron Man's tamer cousin, though - at least from my on-line sampling over the years. *Or* - what am I forgetting from Conversations? - that I've probably needed all these years (but just didn't know it). FWIW, I think Iron Man is my #1 favorite Dolphy record -- even over Out To Lunch. Woody Shaw just rips it up, and that's the few grains of sand more on the scale, on the side of Iron Man.

I guess it's now or never for me and that MJQ box. If it were half it's size (4 discs), I'm sure I would have bough it by now. I keep asking myself, do I really need -- what is it? -- something like 14 albums of MJQ? I suppose I do, but will I really listen to them all THAT much? I only have Pyramid (on LP), and have been meaning to pick up a copy of Lonely Woman for years (but I just never get around to it). Maybe I'll mull this over some more this weekend, and sample some stuff from YouTube (surely a ton is uploaded there).

They weren't cheap when they first came out either. Close to $40 each (per 2-disc set), iirc. Seems like I remember paying either $36 or maybe $38 each from Dusty Groove (plus shipping). Worth every penny, though -- especially the first one which I got for the Joe Henderson, but love the Carmell Jones and the double-dose of some of THE best Clifford Jordan I think I've ever heard. Set up an auto-search on eBay for Kleinschuster, and you never know what might turn up in 6 or 8 months (and not necessarily for $90 either).