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Oh yeah, and vol 8 (the all Japanese volume) is 2cd's too (just like vol 4). Damn good, most of it. Just love this whole series. Not every single last track, but 75% of every disc is great!

V7 came safe and sound to my mailbox on Thursday. What a wonderful collection! I listened to it 2-3 times, and then Vols 1-4 this weekend, and hope to spin 5-6 & 8 over the next week or two. It's 8 volumes, but 10 CD's (so far) -- two are doubles (v4 & v8). Really an impressive series of VA discs.

My goodness, that list goes on, and on, and on... and on! What a marvelous tribute.

I'm assuming "In The Trenches" never materialized - ??? It was tantalizingly mentioned on Tolliver's old website about 10-12 years ago, which isn't his main site these days, but can still be accessed: http://www.serecs.com/coming.html

I still think we should all pick a particular 2-3 week period, and everyone call asking about when they can pre-order the upcoming Barron box they'd heard about. Only half kidding too. If they got 30 calls about it, would that maybe get them at least thinking about one? Or how many calls would it take?

I'm planning to get that one, for sure! I sampled all of it a few days ago (the whole thing is on YouTube as a playlist), trying to decide whether to just get it (only) for the lengthy title-track to the Manglesdorff album "Never Let It End" (almost 10 minutes). And even though I did end up ponying up for the entire 5-disc Manglesdorff Originals 1 box -- I still think the "Cosmic Forest" should be right up my alley. I've found that a fair number of these Spiritual Jazz multi-artist type comps are really a wonderful way to sample a lot of great material, without taking the plunge on full-length CD's that I'm not entirely sure about (or to pick up the best tracks from any number of albums that haven't ever seen any CD issue at all, even).

I couldn't see them before, but now they're showing up just fine.

Just doing my part.

I don't think The (supposed) Trainwreck needs any editing at all -- not a whit. Every take starts solidly, progresses logically, and ends in a conclusive way. And nobody sounds like they were under the influence of anything. And -- I swear I'm being honest here -- I think Tyrone's playing is just fantastic, throughout the entire session. The whole thing is a joy to listen to, imho.

I'm quite certain those Mangelsdorff boxes will be reissued soon, and in quite inexpensive editions too. SOURCE: Just this morning I paid almost $70 for a used copy of the first 5CD box (Originals Vol 1), being sent to me from the UK. Saw it for 35€ on Discogs about a week ago, and even with 15€ shipping -- I couldn't say no. Mark my word. But no regrets.

I've listened to The Trainwreck 100+ times (maybe closer to 200 times? -- I know it never left my car stereo the first 3 months I had it), and I honestly think it's Tyrone's BEST album. No kidding either. You can quibble at the verbal sound-effects on that one track -- but iirc, its complete alternate take doesn't have those vocals. AND, with four (4!) complete, and fully-realized alternates for fully 4 out of the 5 total tracks (all of them consistently executed, without anything even remotely like a breakdown) -- you can clearly tell exactly what was intended, or Tyrone's vision (if you will) for the session. Herbie's playing (Hancock, cuz there's two Herbies on the date) is masterful. When Tyrone lays out, it's like Herbie's playing from The All Seeing Eye, but piano-trio only (and what I wouldn't give for a Herbie piano-trio album circa 1968, that sounds like the Valdo Williams on Savoy, or that incredible Hasaan/Roach date). One supposed gripe about the date is that Herbie (Nichols) and Jack D don't really hook up at times, but I don't hear that at all. Maybe some of it is just a little tentative, but I just hear a band feeling their way through a thorny set of tunes -- but it's NOT a date that was criminally under-rehearsed or anything. The heads are complicated, but they all lock in, and on every take too. And no takes with alternates are especially better or worse, and I'd be hard-pressed to picks 'masters' among the 4 takes with alternates. Maybe the one 'with' vs. the one 'with-out' the "You're a Mean One, Mr. Grinch"-style vocals. But I think I actually like the one with vocals a little better, but you could make a case either way. All in all, it's a fine and cohesive statement. I'd probably personally pony up $500 to a Kickstarter-type effort to get it released. And if I thought it was make-or-break, I might even go in for $750 total (but I'd want 20 copies of the resulting CD). Here's my credit-card, I'll pony that up today. It's a damn fine album, I don't care what anyone says. Honestly, I like it even better than Natural Essence (which I quite like). The one slow tune (hard to call it a 'ballad') from The Trainwreck, is certainly better than the one ballad from Natural Essence, for instance. The other horns on Natural Essence are great, but honestly -- and I'm being totally serious here -- I think The Trainwreck is right up there with Fuchsia Swing Song, but with more of the energy and 'outness' of All Seeing Eye. I sure wish it was out there, legit.

Yeah, "relative disappointment" covers it. It's a solid B+ date, but given the personnel I'd forgotten Herbie and Joe Chambers were both on it), it doesn't have quite the shine that quite a number of other dates both Herbie and Chambers were on together (not that they're the problem specifically). I've got a burn of it -- I should spin it again soon (haven't in a good 5 years, at least).

I'd buy one. It's mostly a good, reasonably solid date -- though I seem to remember it being a tad bit wobbly in a few spots. (This coming from an otherwise a Tolliver devotee=me.)

OK, I just pulled the trigger on a near-mint copy of the 5-CD "Originals Vol 1" set via Discogs, from a seller in the UK (with a 100% rating on 400+ transactions). If his postage quote stays the same, then it should run me about $66-$67 (I think), including shipping. Easily $20 more than I really wanted to pay, but where the hell am I ever gonna find it any cheaper? Didn't "need" it, but I waited a good week between when I first saw it at that price, and pulling the trigger just now. Figured I'd kick myself hard if I missed out on it. Might be the very first thing I've ever bought on Discogs, far as I can tell. I did have a longin/userid -- but probably something I set up 10+ years ago, and never used (my shipping info wasn't even in my user profile). Looking forward!

That Certain Feeling is probably my favorite John Patton album. I don't often buy very many Japanese discs that are dupes of material I already have on CD as part of a Mosaic -- but I made an exception for That Certain Feeling (yeah, a little because it's split between two discs on the Select), But as much or more simply because it's such a cohesive album, that really seems to dig in deep.

I've been listening a bunch to Albert Mangelsdorff's first two quintet outings for CBS in 1963 (Tension) and 1964 (Now Jazz Ramwong) -- before his quintet started to stretch out more (slightly) towards 'free-jazz' on their 3rd outing in 1967 (Folk Mond & Flower Dream). And specifically those first two Mangelsdorff quintet dates are just crackling with a lovely combination of energy, and freedom (at least from chords, since there's no piano, guitar, or vibes on the date). And I'm definitely picking up a slight Ornette Coleman influence, at least in that open "piano-less quartet" quintet sort of sound. I've been often spinning them pretty often around the house, even when my wife's around -- in part because she really *can't stand* the timbre of 'out-leaning' saxophone (or anything especially 'gut-bucket' or wailing, sonically speaking). But cleaner, dryer tones she can take (even if the playing’s fast) – so for instance, she’s generally OK with someone like Paul Desmond (or even Joe Henderson, if he’s playing very ‘inside’ - like in his later years). Tina Brooks "isn't so bad" either (somebody I can also put on, and not put her off) -- and the like. ANYWAY – I mention my wife specifically (who’s much more into piano trios, really, than almost anything else jazz-wise) – because I was trying to explain to her why these Manglesdorff recordings were so interesting to me. How they were “free” in one sense, while being very controlled in another (with short bursts of very slightly more ‘out-there’ playing, at times) -- and of course, the somewhat exotic tunes and scales. And I also mentioned to her how the horns really sounded like they came right out of a big band, in their articulation -- and in how they played together, and their use of riffs behind whomever was soloing (just like a big band). It was just a minor, one-off comment, but she said she totally got what I was talking about (for a change!! – since probably well more than half the musical stuff I try to explain to her, I just don’t explain well enough for her to quite get). Specifically about the "big band"-sound thing, that's what she really 'got'. Anyway, I’m wondering what other small-combo groups with very small front lines (like just 3 horns only), also somehow manage to inject some sense of “big-band”-ism into their arrangements? I know there’s a bunch of stuff like this on Blue Note – some groups more than others. But who (else) managed/manages to capture that “big-band”-iness in their playing and arrangements, and maybe playing material that’s a bit outside the norm? I mean, especially groups that AREN'T just playing standards and regular hard-bop type stuff (Albert Mangelsdorff seems anything but “the usual” for his time, in 1963 & 1964). Discuss!

Good. I hope it's a bit more than 3 years. 5 sounds about right, given his age and infirmity.

I'm sure he's heard a bunch on Pandora. I think he said he's been listening to a Monk 'channel' on Pandora for a few weeks (off and on), with Monk as the only seed. Which is probably the only reason he's to the point where he thinks he wants a good compilation -- not really as a starter -- but as a collection to really be his one (or maybe one of a very few) actual Monk purchases. As someone (me) who's owned over 10,000 CD's over the last 30 years (only about 40% of them jazz) -- it's hard for me to wrap my head around picking just the ONE, very best CD to represent a particular artist (or maybe 2 discs at most). But (somehow) there are people who don't dig as deeply into this stuff, as so many of us here do. He said after he got Kind of Blue, he really (really) loved it -- but it took him over a year to figure out which Miles CD to buy next (and he's only up to 3 Miles discs, 8 years later). Not saying he's nuts or anything, but it's certainly a different way of thinking.

So from my YouTube sampling and from other sources... "Zo-Ko-Ma" seems like a stone-cold 5-star album, right up there with the very best of the very best of its kind. "Never Let It End" seems like a very solid 4-stars (with the 10-minute long title-track ranking up there with anything Manglesdorff did for CBS in the early-to-mid 60's). "Wild Goose" seems like a total oddball folk-music/free-jazz hybrid, which just might be weird enough to be enjoyable and/or fun. I'd never pay a mint for just it, but if it's along for the ride, sure, why not? But 3-stars, at best. Yes?? (or No??) "Trombones Workshop" could be fun, but again, not anything I'd really seek out at a premium price. Maybe 3-stars?? Yes or No?? "Birds of Underground" seems even a bit further out than I'll really listen to all that often -- which is not to say that I won't like it -- but as I'm getting older, I just don't reach for the really free stuff nearly as much as I did 15 years ago (even though I'd like to claim otherwise). So more objectively 3-stars, but given how much I'd listen to it, more like 2-stars? Anyone care to chime in on this one?? I've got a line on a copy of this for ~$66 shipped to my front door, so ~$14 per disc. Almost as painful as a Mosaic -- but getting the 2 discs I really want individually is gonna cost me $45 minimum total (that's incl. two separate bouts of international shipping), and probably more like $50. So I suppose I ought to go for it (meaning the whole 5-disc set, for $66 -- or about $15-$20 more for the 3 discs I wouldn't get otherwise, than if I just get the two I really want). Unless someone wants to talk me down.

This thread popped up searching for something else, and I'm sure I need to look into a bunch of the albums mentioned.

I'm reading this guy as being more of the "just dipping his toe in the water" type. He only picked up Kind of Blue (as his very first jazz CD) about 8-10 years ago, and he's only got 20 jazz CD's (in 5+ years), so his interest is really more along the lines of jazz being a curiosity. He streams a lot of stuff on Pandora (maybe not tons of jazz), and he only very selectively buys stuff (physical product). He's much bigger into visual arts, and only goes to concerts about 3x per year (but 2-3x gallery openings every month + museums all the time). I think he said he only had maybe 200 CD's total (all varieties of music).

Yeah, there are certain titles that, whenever I find 'em used (and cheap), I'll grab 'em as extras -- you know, just for emergencies. That Bird & Dizzy Town Hall thing is one of them. I've got a box of about 30-40 CD's -- all dupes -- that really aren't trade-bate or anything, but more stuff to lay on just the right person, whenever I get around to crossing paths with them.

I think I'm going to go with the one-two punch of Monk/Trane Carnegie, and also the Ken Burns comp. The guy only has ~20 jazz CD's, so it's not like he's gonna delve into a 3CD set that deeply (probably). I checked, and the only(!) Trane he has yet, is on Kind of Blue -- so the Monk/Trane thing is as much to get him started on Trane (seripticiously). (He also doesn't have any Charlie Parker, and I happen to have an extra dupe of the Bird/Diz at Town Hall disc, on Uptown -- so he'll be getting that too.)

Ah, thank you!! I went though a dozen plus pages of Google image search results, none of which had anything but the outer cover/graphic.

I know the "Originals Vol 1" is five (5) CD's total. Question: are they housed in 5 separate jewel-boxes? Or cardboard sleeves? Or something else? Basically, how big (thick/heavy) is the set? (TryIng to anticipate penitential overseas shipping charges.)