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Hell, sometimes just having one of these around is help enough...

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Have you not seen this thread??? ( CLICK HERE ) There's a surprise waiting there for you, right in the first post...

Jim, I think you should consider doing this, regardless. There have been times where I've thought it would be cool to make a donation to the band or to the site, just as a way of saying "thank you" for making this a great place to hang out, and to lend a little extra support. Having a little PayPal icon or something like that wouldn't be a bad thing, and I'm sure there are other people who feel the same way. I agree 100%. You don't have to "ask" people to donate, but it would be nice to provide an easy way for people to do so, at their own discretion. And you can state that all donations will first go towards paying for the cost of the board (and your website in general), with any overflow going into startup costs for new recording projects (since unfortunately that's how most of us are going to get to hear you guys, at least until you finally get that 'world-wide tour' thing figured out. ) Think about it in terms of the time you give to us, to maintain the board, deal with bugs and troubleshooting, etc... That time is worth something too, and there are any number of us that would like to chip in $5 or $10 – or whatever – to rightfully compensate you for that time.

"The Jody Grind" is by far one of my favorite Horace Silver albums, precisely for all the reasons that Horace must have been getting frustrated with his front-line. I 'like' lots of other Silver BN albums, but I only 'love' a few of them.

FFA and Dan, I agree that the Ed Palermo big band CD isn't everything one would hope for, despite all the good things I do like about it. I still have to admire the tight arrangements and overall impressive performance of the band with what must me some pretty difficult charts. (And I had to get past Palermo's total Sanborn-esque alto tone!!) Actually, just like FFA also said before, I was thinking along the lines of tunes that Zappa wrote that have enough harmonic flair to be interesting for solo devices. (Like "Beatrice" - where the changes under the solos are highly reflective of the tune itself.) And what I wasn't looking for was a Zappa tune with a cool (but complicated) 'head' -- where the solos then automatically require some sort of vamp that isn't tightly related to the tune itself (since the harmonic changes under the 'head' wouldn't be suitable for solos). Again, I guess I'm looking for something like "Beatrice" - functionally speaking. In this reguard, maybe a tune like "Duke of Prunes" could possibly work, as a ballad or mid-tempo thing. (Actually, I'm listening to a sample of it now, just to refresh my memory, I can easily hear it's melody working well on trombone, a.k.a. FFA's axe.) Tunes like "The Dog Breath Variations" or "Uncle Meat" (while both being great tunes, sure), have heads and forms that would really not work well in a real jazz context. Or at least they would sound weird as hell if you tried to make them swing. And actually, maybe that's the key to this thread -- since so many of Zappa's tunes don't swing (and probably shouldn't be made to), the question becomes what Zappa tunes would sound good, natural, and reasonable if they were made to swing??

I had nearly forgotten about that one, which I have heard a time or two (but don't own - meaning the Herman verison). And, it has the added benefit of being something (technically) from the Woody Herman book (at least at one time, if only for one brief moment). So, that, along with Fee For All's pedigree of having been in the Thundering Herd since the early 80's -- plus the fact that I know that at least one local pianist happens to know this tune (note to FFA: J.C. probably doesn't know it, but I heard P.S. play "America Drinks..." one time, years ago, at the Plaza III) -- might make for at least a 2% chance of me ever hearing him (FFA) play it!!! ( Don't worry, I'm mostly just yankin' your chain, FFA -- but I was actually thinking about seeing if the WAE would consider doing a Zappa tune, and not necessarily on obtuse one either. )

Well, that's at least moderately hopeful. What does the most current on-line tracking info say now?? (Especially about the set's current location.) Just curious...

Shit, much as I dearly love The Black Page (I've got about a dozen versions of, last time I checked), I think Free For All would just about kill me if I tried to get this added to the set-list of the one group he's in (that I think would be open to trying a Zappa tune). I've got a lead-sheet for The Black Page - from an issue of Keyboard Magazine (from the early 80's), and it's a total son-of-a-bitch, with triplets that are each (each triplet) further subdivided into 5-tuplets and/or 7--tuplets. Ouch!!!!!

Only Michael, and/or maybe Herbie, Jack, and Herbie Lewis know for sure.

I'm thinking about pestering a couple jazz musician friends of mine (who shall remain unnamed – that is, until I name them!!), into hopefully adding a Zappa tune to their book. So (and this is the reason I posted this thread here in the Musician's forum), what Zappa tunes can best be realized by something as simple as a piano trio plus one or two horns (at most). I know "Peaches en Regalia" is in The Real Book, but the chart looks like a real bear (or an "Idiot Bastard Tune", if you prefer ) – at least to my eyes. And "Blessed Relief" is in The Real Book too – although it's certainly not one of the first 20 or 30 tunes I think of when I think of really 'great' Zappa tunes. (Plus, in both cases, I wouldn't probably trust charts in The Real Book - which are bound to be riddled with errors.) What tunes (if any) do I have any real chance of getting a band to take on, especially if they're playing in real jazz venues – so it's not like they can really go hog-wild with them (not that I'm looking for that either, by the way). And really, I'm looking for honest-to-goodness 'jazz' takes on Zappa, so I guess an alternate question would be this: What Zappa tunes most deserve to be considered 'jazz standards' – if any ever actually got played enough (in jazz contexts) to merit such a designation. On a related note - I'll add that there is a beautiful and very restrained piano-trio version of "The Eric Dolphy Memorial Barbeque" on Don Preston's 2001 CD "Transformation. So that's one idea... What Zappa tunes (if any) have any of the musicians here played before???

And what about the Spanish knock-offs???

Johnny doesn't have that kind of credit limit, I'm afraid.

Many thanks AB!!!! - for those great animated Hill covers!!! Man, this is FUN!!!!!!

I happen to know that two or three people here have very recently gotten a hold of Tyrone's one and only Blue Note album "Natural Essence ". So, those of you who are hearing it for the first time ever – what think you??? (And the rest of you too, for that matter.) For those not in the know, here's the 411... Certainly open to discussion of the rest of his output too (his other two albums as a leader, both from the 70's -- along with his sideman work), most of which is pretty damn amazing (IMHO).

How's about you (Organissimo) take donations, and turn anything "extra" you get (beyond your actual costs for running things), into starter money for future recordings. Seriously. As much as making a CD must cost (and seeing as how it takes half-way to forever to sell enough CD's to break even), I would be very happy to donate a little bit towards keeping the lights on here, with any overflow going towards the band laying down some more tunes. Think about it...

Casey Casem - "Death Dedication" : The most classic out-take of all time.

Seriously, I'm sure we'd all pony up $20 a year (or something like that) to help cover your costs. Really - this place is well worth that to me, without a doubt. (Just don't go chargin' by the post - or I'm sunk!!!! -- ) Really, you should set up a "donation via Paypal" link, or give us an e-mail address to use to pay you with. I think many of us would like to at least throw $5 your way... Think about it.