king ubu

Lucky man. Nice to be one step ahead of 'Last Chance'. Yes, nice for a change. But I don't think I have many of those... except for some of the Universal euros (Basie, Peterson, Nelson). Other than that, I think my last advance might now be gone

how about Dave Amram? from AMG, among others: Kenny Dorham, Lionel Hampton, Oscar Pettiford, Curtis Fuller, Allen Ginsberg, David Bromberg, Hannibal Marvin Petrson, Mary Lou Williams, Betty Carter, T.S. Monk, Pete Seeger, Jack Kerouac, Lawrence Ferlinghetti... I'm sure AMG isn't nearly complete there... Bobby Jaspar is an artist I have Amran on disc with, in a sort of third stream-ish ensemble. He also performed with Mingus, George Barrow, the New York Philharmonic, various Latin bands... Not sure he quite fits the bill, but Niko's mention of Draper sort of led me to Amram. The only guy I immediately thought of when reading the thread title has been mentioned by Chuck above, Garvin Bushell.

Wow - you guys got your sets already? Just hope my snail-mail packet steamer doesn't hit the rocks ! Got mine several years ago

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Hi Ubu .. I used to make my (very good) living in the "ad biz" in the early 1960's (shades of the tv show "Mad Men")... Jingles were a major musical art form for a long period in the history of commercial radio ... for an interesting perspective see this: http://www.amazon.com/Killed-Jingle-Unique...0708&sr=1-4 BTW, I am returning to Cape Town, to live there permanently sometime in the next two years Garth. Good to see you here Garth! Just had to manually enter all my contacts to my new email programme (having just set up a new computer) and thought it's been a long time! Sent you an email!

My Complete H.R.S. Sessions set arrived this morning, I only had a quick look through the booklet so far but it looks good. Nice to see pictures of someone working in a record shop wearing a suit and tie. :D Hellyeah! People these days just don't know how to dress... they behave like they're in their living rooms, wherever they actually are, no matter if it's some cathedral or whatever... tourists are the worst, of course! Anyway, that package made a real fast passage! It's a fantastic set, much of it is first rate, the rest is good, and even that Brick Fleagle disc of rehearsing band sessions is pretty nice!

I have never caught up on Higgins, except for a few sideman appearances (on the Morgan/Shorter Vee Jay Mosaic, I think), I only have that wonderful ballads/latin album of his, "Amor", which was a favourite late night album a few months back. r.i.p.

the multi part interview on jazzwax is a terrific read: http://www.jazzwax.com/2008/06/interview-chris.html

Assuming the mono box will be made available again, you get that, and then you pick up Abbey Road, Yellow Sub and Let it Be in stereo. That's everything. I would also get the White album in stereo, but it's on the box in mono. But if I had gone this long without the Beatles, I'd probably just use the money to buy jazz albums. Yeah... but the thing is I've started exploring more rock and rock'n'roll lately (The Band, The Doors, Jimi, Patti Smith, Talking Heads, The Byrds, whatever) and hence I'd really like to get me some Beatles. Also, I was around quite some of their stuff as a kid (the red and blue albums, the white album, Revolver, Sgt. Peppers - at least those I remember being around).

If it was my money I would say no just going on the Amazon pre-order prices. Even on sale the Stereo Box Set is going for $486 where individual discs are going for 12.99. For a bit over 200 dollars you get all 16 discs that make up the box set. Even at single discs going for full retail at 18.99 it comes out to $304 pre tax if you bough all 16. I wonder how many Mono boxes will be going up on Ebay for outrageous prices like the Dead Fillmore Boxes. I think a lot of people may have ordered two with one to keep and the other to sell. Amazon now isn't even taking new orders on either boxed set. Still, since Capitol never said the stereo box is a limited edition, Amazon's probably waiting for more to become available, rather than having to deal with angry customers, and at that point the price will probably come down. As for King Ubu's original question, I think the early Beatles were a very different band than the later Beatles. I know many people who like one or the other, but not both. If you do want it all, perhaps consider the two "Capitol Albums" boxes (where you have both mono and stereo), and supplement them with the remastered versions of the other titles. If you buy them individually, it won't be such a hit to your budget. Thanks for all the good advice (and help with calculations... I hadn't really looked at prizes yet). Capitol never did that third box to complete it, right? Why not?

ok ok, but the mono discs are only in the box and the mono box is incomplete, right? so you'd have to get the mono box plus some of the single stereo discs? that gets friggin' complicated... why can't they just behave sanely and release CDs which contain the stereo & mono versions (like Capitol did with "Pet Sounds" for instance).

For someone who owns no Beatles discs at all (but of course knows a lot of their stuff), would the stereo box be a wise choice? I don't care for the whole mono vs. stereo discussions, my aim would be to get most of it in one go... if they'd done single CD sets with mono + stereo versions, that would be my option, I guess, but it seems that's not what they chose to do... going under but still trying to milk their customers, friggin' idiots!

Here's a nice photo I found on the webs (without any credits), who's that in the background?

That link doesn't work, here's a good one: http://www.kansascity.com/620/story/1416113.html http://www.chrisconnorjazz.com/ (includes a fine discography)

Ah, no! How sad! I love her Bethlehem and Atlantic recordings, she's definitely one of my favourites. As she grew older, her singing got a rare emotional quality that I think can first be detected around the time she made that Village Gate album recently reissued in that Capitol Vocalists series (that was one of the final CD reissue series EMI got right, it seems...). Her more recent recordings further went in that direction... dare I compare her to the late recordings of Bud Shank, another late great? That heart-on-the-sleeve quality that hardly anyone of the younger generations seems to be able to do (or willing to share so openly... another one who did that in most touching manner was Richard Manuel). This is truly, truly sad news.

That's very interesting! I had no idea that there was even a possibility to make a living out of that... studio work of all kinds, yes, but that commercials were such a big field, I had no clue!

You mean they worked performing musical "scores" for commercials? Sorry to seem so idiot here, but reading "ad biz" I naturally tought - being (still pretty) young - that they worked as graphic designers or texters or whatever... I've not known the days when they used to write new music for tv or radio commercials...

much more of a mainstream disc, but a beautiful one: Guy Lafitte / Pierre Boussaguet - Crossings

And here I though his main job was with the Nutty Squirrels Seriously: why would that explain the Lowe/Hyman connection? Where they in the same business? Hyman I mostly know from all those wonderful Woody Allen soundtracks... can't be all bad!

you'se talkin' to me, Sir? I certainly am a shopaholic as far as books and CDs are concerned... I happily confess! Gave the disc a first spin last night, not sure about it yet, it's not earth shaking for sure, and it's certainly not bad either... probably just a minor thing, a blow-out by two footnotes in jazz history or some such (not to put Elliott down, I have several discs where he appears... Dedrick on the other hand I hadn't even heard the name before...)

"Dylan" is impossible to find for a sane price... In fact, I think there's plenty of nice stuff on "Self Portrait" - I'd love to hear that whole gig w/The Band, that's for sure!

Sorry Jim, took me a couple of days to decide if I should reply or not, but that Eicher bashing gets so old, you know... the man's got his ideas, he's been pursuing them for many years with great stamina and often superb and enlightening results. If you don't like his product, why bother, buy Black Saint and Soul Note and Nessa and India Navigation and what do I know... that'll be more to your liking, I guess... Also, why do you suppose Eicher actually nixed it? Maybe the session went bad, maybe the agendas of Smith and DeJohnette didn't allow for it actually to happen, maybe someone's tame rattlesnake got ill and hence the session had to be cancled... or some such. Whatever...

Yes, worth hearing, not sure it's worth owning, really... I picked mine out of a sales bin, I never pay regular price for boots. The new edition's cover looks much, much better though. I can't see sidewinder's picture (those storage sites are blocked on my work computer). Mine looks like this: This one looks great as well:

Fascinating stuff, yes! And indeed, a legit release of the full package in good sound would be more than welcome! This was bootlegged a long time ago (the disc I have is from pretty early in the days of CDs, it seems... prob. late 80s or so) Here's the info for the bonus session: Kenny Dorham Quintet Kenny Dorham (tp) Tore Sannes (p) Bijorn Pedersen (b) Jon Christensen (d) "Metropole Jazz Club", Oslo, Norway, January, 1964 Con Alma Royal Jazz (D) RJD 515 Short Story - Sky Blue - Lament - * Kenny Dorham 1953, 1956, 1964 (Royal Jazz (D) RJD 515) Royal Jazz is indeed the label I have the Lenox stuff on, so for the reissue they just added some more from another of their discs, assuming that Free Factory is some sort of follow-up (prob. relocated to Andorra, who knows)... stuff such as this should be released by some nice official label, or officially distributed by some outlet such as Smithsonian or what do I know, even more so nowadays, when not even the few big ones do reissues of jazz anymore!

Yeah, some of those bands turn up, Crimson, Soft Machine as well I think... and yes, it's indeed the same guy from the BBC series (I only read about that), and I think these "family trees" were printed one by one somewhere, originally, and only later on collected in books.