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ok, catching up on this finally, but in massive style, he he... I made use of the offer at True Blue (from yesterday's mailing): I sent in an order for all the Mighty Quinns, as well as for the Hubbard Mosaic Contemporary which can be had there for a sale prize, too! Mighty Quinn themselves have a 10$ sale for all their releases, too... might have been the smarter option, but as I went with surface shipping, it's cheaper to order from TrueBlue, with air mail I'd have to calculate anew. Excited to finally get to hear the Adams, Condon, Quinichette, and Hall, and to get a legal copy of the Land at last (had a vinyl rip for years).

Good points! And yes, somehow compilations of earlier jazz seem to be looked at as less evil than rip-offs of actual albums... but for the morally superior, buying Classics or Masters of Jazz or whatever, would be a no-go as well. Also I forgot to mention the consumers being to blame, too... but that's why having good local retailers would be even more important (just as with good book shops, that luckily still exist here and there... there's a fabulous one in Zurich, I can spend hours there and they get many books they don't have within a day... I happily pay 10 or 20% more than on Amazon and support that store, but with music shops, there's nothing similar here, and none of the old often praised music shops ever was able to compete, there's always been a certainl lack of knowledge, even in the one local jazz & blues only shop that closed about 5 or 6 years ago.)

I still find it hard to believe I'm the only one who thinks "Study in Brown" is up there with the best Roach albums!

you know, as long as the "official" releases are around, it still sucks that such reissues appear, even if they're legal. the ignorance of the importers and retailers matters much here, I guess... they simply don't care if they have a crap-copy of these albums in their shelves or the real one... a friend of mine ordered Nat Cole's "After Midnight Session" last year, and they got him that crappy Andorran (or whatever) version for pretty high a prize... a few month later, they had another EMI sale at the very same shop, and there the "official" CD turned up for a bit more than half of the prize. it's this total lack of care that sucks so much, and that - as opposed to good book stores - make me stop buying CDs locally more and more (I only browse through sales, mostly).

Ok, after a few days, let me thank you all again. I really enjoy the discussions here (though I would like to see some more discussion about music, and though I'm still a bit sad both about those that left a few years back, and about those that rarely appear here in recent times). Anyway, I'm not the brightest of moods lately, and that likely won't change... it has to do with my seemingly never-ending fight at University, with the job situation, and with more... and all the more I enjoy spending some time here, now and then, and reading and talking about music and more. Also, I got some jazz-related gifts... a 2 year subscription for the jazz magazine I enjoyed most in recent years, the French "Jazz Magazine". And from my sister, I got a night of choice at the jazz festival in posh St. Moritz (she knows some people involved) for two. It's not out yet who's playing there this year, but Joey DeFrancesco might be there, for instance!

The "majors" changed their policies concerning leases a few years ago to prevent mixing companies masters. The Jacquet predated the change. Hm, I understand - but does the Jacquet contain all EMI other than the RCA-owned disc 4, or was that indeed an early exception? The set contained Apollo masters from Delmark and Savoys too. Ah yes, now that you mention it! I didn't have it at hand to check myself. Fantastic set, though!

Fascinating article there! But somehow I found it a bit irritating to read about his deceiving his interview partner, but then one has to wait for part 2 of the story... leaves a bit of a bad taste.

Ok, I guess I'll soon know... ordered the Leggio, Marcus & Leviev CDs from Mighty Quinn - 36$ all included, not a bad offer!

You beat me to it, just ordered some Mighty Quinn from Trueblue after their mail yesterday, and now browsing their site I saw this one - is it good, does anyone here know it? edit: interesting, the Ralph Lalama and Steve Marcus discs, as well as that Carmen Leggio disc, are all by ts/g/b/d quartets! (The Leggio has Joe Cohn! So it should indeed be interesting at least!)

The "majors" changed their policies concerning leases a few years ago to prevent mixing companies masters. The Jacquet predated the change. Hm, I understand - but does the Jacquet contain all EMI other than the RCA-owned disc 4, or was that indeed an early exception?

Yes, I don't think so either. (But whoever owns it doesn't seem to care much...) How are Wingy's later recordings for RCA? Worth looking for a few of the Classics? I like all th Wingy I've heard. . .but that's not necessarily a universal opinion (I remember, perhaps incorrectly?, PD and others not exactly enthralled.) I'd like to see the fifties work for what are now EMI labels reissued. THe owners of Gennett do seem to care, they've put out a number of cds, compilations. I ahven't heard them. . . probably should try one. Hm, I wasn't aware of any Gennett reissues, obviously... but I guess it's the distributors and retailers who are to blame once again..

Hm, are all the labels on Discs 1-3 of the Jacquet in possession of EMI? I wasn't aware of that! I thought that one was one of the sets where indeed they could combine material from various ownerships!

Yes, I don't think so either. (But whoever owns it doesn't seem to care much...) How are Wingy's later recordings for RCA? Worth looking for a few of the Classics?

Very keen on Maynard in the 50s, which is when Carmen was with him. Is that (part of) the period covered in the Mosaic? I'm quite sure I'd bought it but there just were too many of them still around and of considerably more interest to me back in my early Mosaic-buying days! But that indeed seems to have been a great band!

Thanks Lon! I realized that myself... still a pity, as those few sides would have easily fit in and nowadays Universal often leases material to Mosaic. Didn't realize that about the "wing"... but it makes sense now that you mention it!

Yes, you've shared some wonderful photos here, much appreciated! Happy Birthday! :party:

What, anyone has favourite Maynard records? Didn't know that exists... I only knew Leggio from the Woody Herman Philips Select until I recently found Eddie Bert's Fresh Sound album "The Human Factor" (also feat. Jerry Dodgion, Duke Jordan, Ray Drummond and Mel Lewis). Fine player - r.i.p.

the pronunciation seems to be as in "wing", indeed... they sometimes mention the names in their banter (mostly Wingy and Nappy Lamare but sometimes others join in the fun...

Over the weekend, the Louis Prima portion of the Prima/Manone set, and disc 1 of the Dizzy (+ related Verve dates by him). Now: the great Wingy Manone portion of the Prima/Manone, almost done with the final disc, the booze version of "I've Got a Note" is indeed fun, he he

Digging into this one again... I played the Prima parts back when I got this (must have been a while after it was running low but it seems I didn't post anything about it back then). Anyway, very enjoyable music! The small groups with Pee Wee Russell are the best part of it, I think! Now I just finished disc 3 with the first Wingy (how is that pronounced anyway, as in "wing" or with a "j" as in "joe"?), and I took out the 1927-1934 Classics and I'm a bit puzzled, as there are some dates that aren't in the Mosaic - why is that so? I did read some of the notes in the booklet, but I may have overread it... Ah, I get it's the 1931 Vocalion ownership divide again? Too bad! The Mosaic is from 2002, shortly after that Universal opened their vaults for them...) The dates in question are: Joe "Wingy" Manone and his Club Royale Orchestra Wingy Manone (cnt,vcl), Wade Foster (cl), Bud Freeman (ts), Jack Gardner (p), Gene Krupa (d) Chicago, September 4, 1928 C-2292 Downright Disgusted C-2293 Fare Thee Well Wingy Manone (tp,vcl), Frank Teschmacher (cl), George Snurpus (ts), Art Hodes (p), Ray Biondi (g), Augie Schellange (d) Chicago, December 17, 1928 C-2682-B Trying to Stop My Crying C-2683 Isn't There a Little Love ? Then there are these two, done for Gennett: Barbecue Joe and his Hot Dogs Wingy Manone (tp,vcl), George Walters (cl), Joe Dunn (ts), Maynard Spencer (p), Dash Burkis (d) Richmond, Indiana, August 28, 1930 16949-B Tin Roof Blues (unissued) GS16950-C Shake That Thing GS16951 Tar Paper Stomp [Wingy's Stomp] 16952 Up the Country (unissued) Bob Price (tp-1), Ed Camden (tp-1), Miff Frink (tb), Orville Haynes (tu) added, unknown (bj) added. Richmond, Indiana, September 19, 1930 17058 Up the Country Blues GN17059-E Tin Roof Blues GN17060 Weary Blues (wm vcl) 17061 Big Butter and Egg Man (1) All four dates (minus the two unissued titles from the third, of course) are on Classics 774 (Wingy Manone and His Orchestra 1927-1934). (edited to add fourth date, sorry for my goof!)

Gheorge, you have to check out at least some later Thompson! For the fifties, I guess the best are the Paris dates (with Solal or Renaud), the Savoy albums (and one on Atlantic) with Milt Jackson, or the great material out on Impulse (and now pirated by Lonehill and/or Fresh Sound), two albums with trio/quintets on a CD, and another CD wtih two Oscar Pettiford albums featuring Lucky, Gigi Gryce and others in a slighly smaller than usual big band. For the sixties, there are "Lucky Strikes!", his two Tivoli albums (some with organ, though not the greatest organ playing you'll hear) out on a Fresh Sound twofer, or this new Uptown release. Thompson's sound changed a lot, and somehow - as niko observed - the soprano got harder and fuller in sound, and the tenor got lusher and softer, as the years passed. There's some mighty fine playing on both horns on the Uptown package! A little note on the Uptown: isn't it strange that there are several columns of "footnotes", but no numbers to link them in the text? Also the booklet of my set isn't fold straight. And the booklet is so big, it will eventually be damaged, no matter how careful you may get it out of the jewel case... some sloppy production in the finishing there, if you ask me... a pity, as this is such a great set, musically!

I started playing this again over the weekend, but didn't get any further than disc 1... the thing is, I always get side-tracked and want to hear the rest of Dizzy's output for Granz in those years (in between the first two albums on disc 1 of the Mosaic, he recorded a huge load of other great sessions). So I played discs 3-5 of the Granz Jam Sessions, the very fine Dizzy/Getz album, Afro, and then started with the big band sides from 1956/57... to be continued... (btw, I'm well aware I skipped the date with Benny Carter... but those four discs of Verve Carter sessions are something else I'll want to listen in full again!) Right now, I'm having disc one of the Prima/Manone disc - last time I played this I wasn't half as much into Condon, Russell, Teagarden, Freeman, Manone et. al. - having a ball now! (And as I type this Prima sings about having a ball with spaghetti... he he - must be catesta's fault! )

Why does everyone think the Roach/Brown/Rollins albums are so superior to the Roach/Brown/Land ones? Really beats me! I think "Study in Brown" is quite a bit better than the one they did under Rollins' name for Prestige, for instance!

Happy Birthday! :party: