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Instead of the Swiss kind of cold? Na, Swiss kind of cold is what IRS and Obama try to hack now... (with my agreement, but it's not popular...) Seriously, what I mean is kind of a hard-edgedness (that may not even be in the actual music, more in the general attitude the music is presented with) that I seem to hear in a lot of 90s "young lions" jazz (folks like Rosenwinkel, Turner, Potter, Blake etc etc) and that I find quite tiring after a short while, even if the music may be fascinating and multi-faceted (i.e. with Rosenwinkel or Turner). I realise Sco is a bit older and has been tutored by one of the very greatest talent scouts of jazz, but still... maybe it's just my ears, but more often than not, I don't connect with his music (Lovano, collaborator on some of his discs - often referred to as among his best - is a similar case).

agreed - pretty good one!

uhm, why's Pat being discussed on this forum, isn't this about jazz? as for Sco, I've never seen him live and been both warm and cold with his music again and again... but I once heard a long part of a Ray show on the radio and he was just awesome, digging deeply into the music, and the whole band made him sound so much more soulful than often (much of his stuff can sound awfully cold to me, you know, of that kind of cool and hard and I guess NYC type of cold....)

Thanks for sharing that link - interesting video!

Wow, this sounds like quite a book! Thanks for the link to the interview, just read half of it (but being at work I'll just print it now... I got hooked!)

Ah, that Braxton thingie... yes, that one I'd also buy if I could!

found this thread because I was searching for Argonne Thornton (aka Sadik Hakim, but I went with the search term "Argonne"... not one to get too many results I guess...) Anyway, what's up with this KoKo session with Albany? Imagination of a fertile mind?

Should keep you occupied for a day or so. Rather for months, to be honest, but the prize was right, plus these are all labels that aren't regularly distributed here (lots of Justin Time in the sales bins, too - a friend of mine bought the Billy Bang disc from that concert done by Lazaro's radio station, with Frank Lowe! Glad he bought some of the good stuff, too, or else I'd have bought even more...) Sounds like an opportunity for some shared listening time. Yeah, I spent five hours at his place Wednesday night, but we ended up playing lots of pre-war jazz too (a used store here took over a heritage with a few hundred Chrono Classics... I restrained myself to about 25 months ago - and now I'm considering the almost full run of Fletcher Henderson's, that would up the number to 40 - but my friend kept going back there again and again... played some Slim Gaillard, Matty Matlock (or was that the other Matlock - not familiar with them really), James P. Johnson and more...

.......and Willisau 1991, dagnabit!!! By whom? Roach/Shepp, too?

Go to Gibert's and you'll fine more than you'll ever be able to buy... that was my experience at least! I popped in on a few small second hand stores too, and scored lucky once or twice, but nothing compares to Gibert!

Maybe he was a little of each. I only had the one experience, and he was on a downhill trajectory of which we all know how it ended. I love his music, too, BTW, glad we got to play once, and am sorry he was in such bad shape when I ran into him. Re this 'genius' bit: Don't know if he was a genius. Depends on one's definition, I suppose. The only one I encountered in my life as a professional to date was Jaki Byard. He was really ahead of the curve in his thinking and I saw him in action as a band member for 1 and 1/2 years. Nothing short of brilliant, I am convinced. I guess Tom Harrell probably is one, I met him a few times and never worked with him, but I know what he can do, and he probably does qualify. To hear Phil Woods tell it, there's no question. Joe Cohn has amazing ears and is a thrilling improvisor and can put thirds under a fast complicated melody he's hearing for the first time. He can play back what you just played, the exact voicings. Every musician in the know in NY knows what he can do, myself included. Does this make him a genius? Not sure. Woody Shaw was a powerfully creative and vital musician. And he was very advanced at a young age. Isn't that enough? I didn't want to start a discussion of "genius" actually... and in fact I don't mind, as it is - as you say - a very difficult thing to define. And certainly Woody is enough for me! More than enough, really, he was a terrific musician and his music continues to enrich my life! (As for Harrell, the night I caught him live in 2006 was sort of hard to take... but in between he made some stunning music - it was really like him struggling his demons in front of an audience, having trouble navigating through his own (marvellous!) themes, but as soon as they played something simpler (a few standards), he absolutely shined and made his band look like schoolboys in comparison, he really went places! A fascinating musician, to say the very least!)

Should keep you occupied for a day or so. Rather for months, to be honest, but the prize was right, plus these are all labels that aren't regularly distributed here (lots of Justin Time in the sales bins, too - a friend of mine bought the Billy Bang disc from that concert done by Lazaro's radio station, with Frank Lowe! Glad he bought some of the good stuff, too, or else I'd have bought even more...)

I forgot to list this one here: Mental Strain at Dawn: A Modern Portrait of Louis Armstrong It's by our own Allen Lowe and features Doc Cheatham, David Murray, Loren Schoenberg and others. Years ago I once passed by the Woyzeck disc of Allen's in a used store... but back then I had no clue who Allen was, I was interested in Büchner though but out of money...

Thanks for having changed the title/subtitle - I was among those who were bothered by it as well. And about that long post on Jaco - was Woody Shaw really one of those huge-ego-persons who considered himself being a genius and all? I mean I don't know that much about Woody the man/person (I love his music though), but from the bits of footage I've seen and from what I've read, he was much more of a tragic character than an a**hole, but what do I know... somehow the impression I have of Shaw, and the impression I have of Jaco's, they don't really fit together much.

Coitanly! Hope you contribute whenever you get a chance to. Thanks Dan!

I can relate to that, Chris! I guess I'm just shying away from changing anything about my computer set-up... and honestly I'd much rather go for a new 500$ notebook that can do all I need, rather than change system, learning it all anew AND pay much more (I'm afraid I need a new notebook soon, but I actually can't afford it... or rather: I prefer buying music...) Anyway, Linux would be a smart option, too, I gather (and a nice one image-wise).

Is anything not ok with the old CDs of "The Long March"? Or am I just a lucky bastard for having them?

so they're deep? I always had a hunch that "deep" was indeed two...

and that was not bought today, but rather in three devastating visits at the shop...

bought a huge bunch of stuff in a local sale... including: Steeplechase: Joe Bonner "Suite for Chocolate" and the trio with Johnny Dyani/Billy Higgins Hilton Ruiz "NY Piano" and one of the albums with Frank Foster Louis Smith's first one (w/Rouse) a trio set by Argonne Thornton, a quartet (w/vibes) by George Cables Michal Urbaniak's "Songbird" Doug Raney Quintet (with Rosengren) Storyville: the Hugh Lawson, Benny Bailey, Turk Mauro and Richard Wyands discs from a few years back Reservoir: Barry Harris' "In New York" and a trio set of Hod O'Brien's Black Saint/Soul Note: Gaslini's "Lampi" David Murray "Body and Soul" Charli Persip "No Dummies Allowed" one of Fred Ho(un)'s discs Fresh Sounds: Curtis Amy's 90s album Eddie Bert's "The Human Factor" that "The Wild One/Private Hell 36" disc and a terrific live album by Bill Perkins on a label I've never seen before (from LA with John Tirabasso) and the Red disc by Charles Davis/Barry Harris (Davis is also on the Reservoir disc by Harris) and some more I forgot now... and now I'm completely broke, but this sale was just too good!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Fq3-p_1u1Q

Dan, if you do it by download, I'll gladly get the links, but I can't promise I'll actually contribute in time - I'll try though!

I think I've seen others with dates that don't make much sense, can't recall which one(s) it was (were) though. But I don't have many early FSR-CDs. Some are done extremely sloppily, with liners copied from various sources in various sizes of print and stuff like that (the Mariano Plays or the Williamson Plays, I think). Not a bad idea that they reissue their own releases with new numbers and new booklets/design, even if they're otherwise identical (I've not made comparisons of sound though, but as they don't have access to any masters...)

well, porcy is from a country where the public role models (such as Mr. Berlusconi) are thieves and liars, so I guess porcy follows their example and only "owns" pirated software, he he now about the whole apple thing... I confess I've been a Windows user always, and as long as it all works and I can do all my music processing stuff, I really don't feel like changing and having to learn all new about two dozens of programmes to do the same things I'm doing comfortably on my Windows computer... also I know, that's totally opposed to the cult factor you get with this i-stuff, but I don't feel sentimental about computers, I look at them as a means and hence don't want to pay for design and cult...

Caught the Sun Ra Arkestra (dir. Marshall Allen) on Saturday night - wow, what an experience!