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Gee... I mean it's totally ok not to allow file-sharing here, but a mere discussion of labels that aren't "legit" in the US should certainly be possible, no?

Gee, I don't think I'd have access in Switzerland to that book... but this sounds indeed very sloppy on JU's part! Thanks for your additional info... will look around, maybe one of the big libraries has that book.

Man, you can start almost anywhere and find lots of heavy stuff. I'd do a single disk or double disc. . .I'd start with some later masterpieces like "Plays W. C. Handy" or the two cd set "Autobiography." Amazing stuff, great sound and playing. Just for the hell of it, these recordings need your love. The Ellington/Armstrong (definitely the 2CD version with alternates and rehearsals!) would make a great entrance point, too!

"Demon Chaser" looks interesting! Maybe also the new Eskelin/Parkins/Black (but maybe I'll just decide I have too many of their discs already...) But this here is getting a bit ridiculous, no? I mean re-mastering stuff from the ongoing series? Why not just print another 2000 or 3000 of hatOLOGY 518? Or rather this brings up the question: what's wrong with the previous discs (hatO 518) that it's in need of remastering?

maybe they have some kind of long-term license... but a Verve Giuffre set could well focus on the albums he did before the Trio (those are around and you'd need "Free Fall" to complete them and that one's not on Verve anyway... also of course you'll need the great two-disc set on hatOLOGY with a pair of concerts!)

cover: and the tracklist: I'm Gonna Move To The Outskirts Of Town Infantry Blues (Back Home Again In) Indiana You Run Your Mouth And I'll Run My Business All For The Love Of Lil Honest I Does How Deep Is The Ocean My Baby Said Yes (Yip, Yip De Hootie) Bounce The Ball (Do Da Dittle Um Day) Get Me To Kansas City Let's Make An Effort Let's Operate I Lost My Sugar In Salt Lake City I'm Just The Blues I Wonder Stretch My Shoes The Willies Bobby Socks Stomp Small Town Up Jump The Devil In A White Nightgown You Be You But Let Me Be Me That 'll Just About Knock Me Out Let's Make It A Date Ridin' In The Upper Berth Don't Worry 'Bout That Mule Ham On Rye Next Bus Please You've Got To Get It Johnny Hep Cat

Can anyone help me here? This disc seems not to be listed in the discographies, even more, several of the songs I searched for seem to be completely unlisted... I'd love to get some approximate info even, if there's no exact to be had. The CD booklet just says "(1940-1946) Recorded in the 40'ies using the usual Decca personnel. Dates and exact personnel is not available and no attempt to identify the musicians has been made." I know JU has an ok standing here (though I personally still am not entirely convinced they're not operating in a grey-ish area... that of course does not affect their parent label!), but this seems pretty cheap... Any help would be appreciated! As for the "usual Decca personnel" from 1940-46, here are the personnel listings for those dates: Courtney Williams (tp) Louis Jordan (as,bar) Stafford "Pazzuza" Simon (fl,cl,ts) Clarence Johnson (p) Charlie Drayton (b) Walter Martin (d) Yack Taylor (vcl) New York, January 25, 1940 Courtney Williams (tp) Louis Jordan (cl,as,bar,vcl,talking) Kenneth Hollon (cl,ts) Clarence Johnson (p,talking) Charlie Drayton (b) Walter Martin (d,tymp) Daisy Winchester, Mabel Robinson (vcl) prob. Kenneth Hollon (vcl) New York, March 13, 1940 Courtney Williams (tp) Louis Jordan (cl,as,bar,vcl) Kenneth Hollon (cl,ts) Arnold Thomas (p) Charlie Drayton (b) Walter Martin (d) New York, April 29, 1940 & September 30, 1940 Courtney Williams (tp) or Kenneth Roane (tp) Louis Jordan (cl,as,bar,vcl) Stafford "Pazzuza" Simon (cl,ts) Arnold Thomas (p) Charlie Drayton (b) or Henry Turner (b) Walter Martin (d) New York, January 24, 1941 Freddy Webster (tp) Louis Jordan (as,ts-1,vcl) Stafford "Pazzuza" Simon (cl,ts) Arnold Thomas (p) Henry Turner (b) Walter Martin (d) New York, April 2, 1941 Eddie Roane (tp,backing vcl) Louis Jordan (as,ts,vcl) Arnold Thomas (p) Dallas Bartley (b) Walter Martin (d) Chicago, Ill., November 15, 1941 & November 22, 1941, New York, July 21, 1942 Eddie Roane (tp) Louis Jordan (as,ts-1,vcl) Arnold Thomas (p) Jesse "Po" Simpkins (b) Shadow Wilson (d) Duke of Iron, Sister Rosetta Tharpe (vcl) Los Angeles, CA, October 4, 1943 Eddie Roane (tp) Louis Jordan (as,vcl) Arnold Thomas (p) Al Morgan (b) Shadow Wilson (d) New York, March 1, 1944 same, but Slick Jones (d) replaces Shadow Wilson New York, March 15, 1944 Idrees Sulieman (tp) [ Leonard Graham (tp) ] Louis Jordan (as,vcl) Freddie Simon (ts) William Austin (p) Al Morgan (b) Alex "Razz" Mitchell (d) New York, January 19, 1945 Aaron Izenhall (tp) Louis Jordan (as,vcl) Josh Jackson (ts) Wild Bill Davis (p,arr) Carl Hogan (el-g) Jesse "Po" Simpkins (b) Eddie Byrd (d) New York, July 16, 1945, July 18, 1945, October 15, 1945, January 23, 1946, June 26, 1946 Aaron Izenhall (tp) Louis Jordan (as,vcl) prob James Wright (ts) Wild Bill Davis (p,arr) Carl Hogan (el-g) Jesse "Po" Simpkins (b) Joe Morris (d) [ Christopher Columbus (d) ] New York, October 10, 1946

A radio station, a producer, musicians (dozens!), heirs (several dozens), agents.... or in short: lawyers, lawyers, lawyers - I'd love to see this material officially released of course, but chances are minimal from how I understand the situation about releasing radio material.

I agree, what I'm referring to is what I read about Parker dates and Parker being pissed about Jordan not being a reader and sometimes playing unfitting stuff (in Parker's opinion). I think that's what I read in the liner notes to the Savoy 5LP box (those notes are reprinted in the Savoy/Dial 8CD set). It's that lyrical tough of his that's great, definitely! This week, I played that Steeplechase disc of his with Chuck Wayne, Sam Jones and Roy Haynes, "Misty Thursday" - his touch there is great, maybe a littler harder but his lines and his sound is so clear-cut, really marvellous!

Bik Bent Braam played here two weeks ago... I missed it, but I'll try and catch the Sun Ra Arkestra on saturday! Will have to check out Mr. Hawkins' videos at home, yt is blocked here...

There is a live double LP on MPS by the Slide Hampton Joe Haider Orchestra, "Give Me A Double". Dexter Gordon is in the sax section (playing Ben Webster's horn, btw), and when he solos over a Slide Hampton tune based on the changes of "Giant Steps", he quotes Coltrane's "Some Other Blues" at the climax of his solo! Great! That one's great - it's on CD on Haider's own label, JHM Music: http://www.jhmrecords.ch/de/index.php

any news here? I could pick up the Sarah Vaughan live disc w/Zawinul, but there's too much stuff in that sale that's going on, and the discs cost too much, so if you won't all tell me it's the greatest vocal disc out there (or close to), I'll have to skip...

As for sorting out Django, I guess this site here should be helpful: http://www.gould68.freeserve.co.uk/django.htm I have the Mosaic and all the JiPs, as well as a Definitive 4CD set that contains all (?) his recordings with American musicians. Not sure I need more... But for those inclined to have it all, Fremeaux would be the way to go, not JSP or anything else, I guess. The Fremeaux series includes all there is, similar as their Armstrong series (but the Django sets are 2CDs only).

Don't forget Al Haig! Those very first titles with him are glorious! And Duke Jordan is much better than his reputation, methinks... The set further includes the "Moonlight in Vermont" dates with Johnny Smith, and a three-tunes live session where Getz is guest soloist with Basie's early New Testament band (1953).

Yes, fantastic set!

btw, it's my understanding that the LPR series hasn't died but morphed into the Originals series, which happened earlier over here (and for a short while they also did a "Masters" full-prize digipack series when the Originals were started). Discs such as the Raney/Brookmeyer, Lateef's "Psychicemotus", the Michael White, Herb Ellis, Howard Roberts and more were "Originals" over here, while they still seem to have been "LPRs" (packed as digipacks) in the US. Also the change from mini-LP packaging to digipacks took place earlier over here. (By now, the Originals are digipacks again, but in between some came out as digipacks, including the ones I listed above.) And yes, very true about the Masekela! Still my quibble is that in the Verve vaults, there'd be so many great recordings from the 50s that have never seen "domestic" reissue in a legal form (or are long gone again). Think of Lee Konitz and Jimmy Giuffre just to name two that haven't been treated properly. Both would be great Mosaics, but I guess the Spaniards have minimized the chance that Mosaic will do anything about these albums... sad. And Universal seems to have no interest at all.

Thanks for your comments, Nate! I haven't played the three bonus tracks yet so no reading in the answers thread... even if it's just a private pleasure now, I still enjoy listening music without knowing what it is in advance!

On the early Roost quartet studio sessions of Stan Getz', Silver is quoting like mad... and he gets Getz to throw in some quotes as well. I don't remember any particulars, but the lines of the fabulous Roost 3CD set give some details. And there's the infamous "Pop Goes the Weasel" quote of Thad Jones in "April in Paris"... too bad that one got so famous, it's far from being a favourite Basie NT Band tune in this house... and Thad could do so much more!

Yes, the album form for Coltrane isn't all bad - I've gotten used to most of them as individual albums as well and the 8CD box is a bit of a botch job, too, missing the live-side of "Live at Birdland" and the live bonus track from "Quartet Plays...". But I still got the box, then the three deluxe 2CD set, all discs with live material released by Impulse, and for the later (post-classical quartet) the Impulse Master Editions. Those sound good enough for me. It's not that I'm against Coltrane getting this treatment, but what's the point of an original album of "Africa/Brass" for instance, when the 2CD set was full to the brim with such glorious music! It's a bit like with the Getz CDs - I like the idea, but I'll not get them because they're missing some music (at least in the case of Getz/Gilberto #2, and there they're missing some of the best, namely some instrumental cuts by the quartet with Burton... I think the Almeida album had a bonus title as well, and Jazz Samba Encore had one or two alternate takes). They could at least offer a "bits & pieces" additional disc to make up for that... now that would seem like a fine solution to me, but I guess demand for that would be minimal...

I agree, and yet it seems with this series you take the good with the bad: for every vintage (Terry Gibbs) there's another re-issue of another Coltrane album. I'll never understand it either, and since I can't really do anything about it, just keep buying the ones that interest me in hopes that the record company gets the message (put out more stuff that hasn't been issued previously, quit bombarding us with endless Coltrane repackages!) Well, I certainly agree with you, but almost all record companies, even jazz oriented ones, still pitch to the middle. Despite all the many reissues, Coltrane, Monk and Miles Davis must continue to outsell all the obscure artists that are on their first go around. If they really aimed at the Mosaic niche for instance, most would go under. Frustrating I know. I agree, and yet it seems with this series you take the good with the bad: for every vintage (Terry Gibbs) there's another re-issue of another Coltrane album. I'll never understand it either, and since I can't really do anything about it, just keep buying the ones that interest me in hopes that the record company gets the message (put out more stuff that hasn't been issued previously, quit bombarding us with endless Coltrane repackages!) Well, I certainly agree with you, but almost all record companies, even jazz oriented ones, still pitch to the middle. Despite all the many reissues, Coltrane, Monk and Miles Davis must continue to outsell all the obscure artists that are on their first go around. If they really aimed at the Mosaic niche for instance, most would go under. Frustrating I know. I also agree. I think the last major undertaking of getting lesser known items out in the catalogue died with the Verve Elite Editions. Even the LPR series (which also seems dead) yielded quite a few items that hadn't been issued on cd too, but the Originals series clearly seems to be a re-packaging of items that have already been reissued with an unissed item tossed in here and there; a real disappointment Well, of course you're right (and Lon too, in the quote below) - but it's so frustrating with Verve, there'd be so many good things and often the only way to get them would be order from Japan or buy Spanish/Andorran crap - that's a sorry state of affairs! Flurin, I would wager the Ascension has both takes on it; the version in the box set (Volume 3) certainly does. I know that we'll keep seeing Trane and Miles etc. over and over. They are the only sure things the labels have. And I must say, I like having the "lp facimile" aspect of these reissues (because I've had the albums) and the sound is the best yet. That's interesting, Lon - and quite a departure (though they can explain it by the fact that both editions have seen original release by mistake... for the purists though there ought to be two identical discs with no information which version is on it... )

I'll be interested in the Getz and maybe the Blakey and Ella. Reading the above I got the impression the Blakey would have Lee and Lucky on the same date... that would have been weird... too bad these silly LP reproductions don't complete sessions! And then there's hope for Gato's Chapter 3, I have Chapters 1 & 2 (in the great "Latino America" 2CD package with some fine bonus material), and Chapter 4 is out already in the Originals series. The Coltranes will be silly, too... only one take of Ascension on the CD of the same name, and the great live track (as well as one or two studio bonus tracks) omitted of "Coltrane Quartet Plays..." (which is a great album!). "New Thing at Newport" is ok for the Shepp portion of it, but the Coltrane portion has just been repackaged together with his 1963 concert on this disc: That disc has an additional title from (I think) the 1965 concert, previously unreleased (I think) and that title will of course again not be on the upcoming "Originals" reissue... Why the hell, with the demise of CD sales and their constant lamentos, why the hell don't they reissue stuff that makes sense and hasn't been reissued seven times before? Those Impulse Master digipack reissues from the late 90s are great, with nice booklets, additional titles and all - no need to replace them at all!

Ubu, did you go ahead and order it from amazon.fr? If not, where? I like Grappelli, but I want it because I'm a hopeless fanatic about that series! greg mo Yes, but as a European (geographically spoken only... politically Switzerland is, well... somewhere remote up in the mountains, I guess), I often order there, it's a neighbouring country and their prizes often seem better than on amazon.de (which doesn't sell "Nearness of You" either, btw). And yes, I'm crazy about this series, too - I have all the single discs (minus some that I have as part of box-sets or in other, better editions, i.e. the Pres, the Roach and "Ascenseur pour l'echafaud"), and the three previous "hors série" sets. I could not afford the four boxes when they were around cheap, alas... and I have none of the compilations (catalogue plus cd sampler, cd/remix + dvd package, plus belles chansons) that mostly re-packaged previously available material.

well, I was posting under the assumption that Aric just mixed things up or forgot... surely he knows this concert, as it includes some of the very best recordings ever made by Mobley!

strings? well, i guess the harp has strings, but also chambers' bass... grant green's guitar was stringed, too on "workout" - so yes or no, depending what you mean by "strings" (or wait, was hank wearing a str... well, never mind...)

"Morning Song" is very good! I got a copy two weeks ago and gave it three spins in a row! Good arrangements, very fine playing by Menza, and an interesting rhythm section with Fritz Pauer and Pierre Favre (who can rarely be heard in such straight contexts). There's also this one, the only other Menza I have, pretty good as I remember: http://www.jhmrecords.ch/de/katalog/index_a.php