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No - it's "Dial 'S' for Sonny" I was talking about. Somehow it doesn't jell ... it may sound heretic, but to me the top Sonny Clark album is the trio date on Time Records! Ah, I see... but that one's a sextet, with Fuller on trombone in addition to Mobley and Farmer (and Ware, Hayes). I would have been quite amazed to see "Cool Struttin'" in this thread (well, maybe it's been mentioned above, I didn't re-read it all). The Time trio is the last Clark I got (I still miss the Uptown though), and hm, it's fine, but the BN "Sonny Clark Trio" is likely my top Clark, with Chambers/Philly Joe doing a terrific job. The "Standards" disc on the other hand never did much for me. As for Lee Morgan... I love some of his albums (including "Rumproller", which is one of the typical "Sidewinder" re-trials), but while I have all or most, I'm not sure I can even tell them all apart... "Sidewinder" I love, though (also "Search for the New Land", but that's likely his most atypical album anyway, and then "The Procrastinator"!)

which is Clark's first quintet date - not "cool struttin'" I hope?!

Yes, Smith did a few too many, I guess... some are terrific (Groovin' at Smalls, Crazy Baby), some are good to great (all the sessions with horns I've heard, maybe with the exception of "Rockin' the Boat" which I'd rate as fine, but not great), but some are quite lacklustre (Movin On and the other one done just a day before or after, with Quentin Warren in Grant Green's place - or is Movin' on the one with Warren? Either way the one with Green doesn't do much for me). One I'd not rate as highly as many here seem to is "Home Cookin'". And also "Prayer Meetin'" never did much for me, which is weird since I love "Back at the Chicken Shack" and like "Midnight Special" quite some, too (but not as mcuh as "Back at.." which happened to be among my first ten jazz CDs).

I bought the RCA albums quite cheap in those japanese re-editions mentioned above (I assume, if it weren't those, they'd have cost a lot more I guess). Not quite sure how they rank, but then I've been partial to the Blue Notes not only as far as the late 50s recordings are concerned... had those box for years before getting the Verve box, and I just don't know the Verve recordings as well. The RCAs definitely aren't bad, but I think the BNs do more for me. The Verves I need to check out again soon! And I also should get more of the live material!

There are previous threads listing the LPRs (out of which the "Originals" evolved - in yurp the package and design changed a bit earlier, LPRS > digipack-LPRS > jewel case originals > digipack originals is the way they took here - I think in the US the change to digipack took place later, and maybe you never had any jewel case versions in between?) Best you do a search for those older threads, maybe some of the originals batches are listed there. Also look through the recently active Universal reissues thread. Some batches are listed in there. Also if the org-search won't help much, try a google domain search (hit ... ah, shucks, look below for links, doing the search right now myself). I'd be very much interested to see the complete list (though all the smooth crap they included recently doesn't interest me the slightest bit), but I don't have time to do a lot of searching now. http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=3566 http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=8835 http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=39885 http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=36409 http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=10004 http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=8334 http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=44720 http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=34194 (with links to listings on jazzecho.de which aren't complete either, though) Now you can do the hard work

The Buck Clayton box - from LP1 side a on... just about wrapping up "Christopher Columbus" - holy smokes, this stuff swings like mad! (<< Jo Jones!!!) Beautiful solos by Lem Davis, Julian Dash (that fellow is good!), the trumpet players (Joe Newman, next to Buck), and lots of smokin' trombone, courtesy of Bennie Green, Henderson Chambers, and Urbie Green... then there's Sir Charles Thompson, and then quite a surprise each time I pop in some of these LPs, Charlie Fowlkes' baritone - beautiful sound, and quite lovely solos, provided he was just a section player during all the years he spent with the Count!

Well, the fact that they don't include original album art is indeed a bit of a letdown sometimes. I guess they'd need to pay more to also license the right to re-print the art, though. As for second hand vinyl - nothing like that available around here... I just know of one shop, but prizes there are normal, 20-35$ for an album, just like a new CD. So Mosaic in the end will be the cheaper way for some of us non-spoilt non-americans.

the mingus is this one: Ed Armour (tp) Charles McPherson (as) Pepper Adams (bars) Jaki Byard (p) Charles Mingus (b) Dannie Richmond (d) "Symphony Sid" Torin (ann) "Birdland", NYC, October 26, 1962 Monk, Bunk And Vice Versa Ozone 19; Yadeon [J] 501 The Search - OP. (O.P.O.P.) - Eat That Chicken (theme) Yadeon [J] 501 * Charles Mingus - Cecil Taylor (Ozone 19) * Charles Mingus - A Night In Birdland Live, Vol. 2 (Yadeon [J] 501) someone ought to clean up these Birdland broadcasts and put them in a nice 3CD box, equivalent to what's circulating already... great stuff!

playing the Ozone right now - much more Mingus on it (and good one!) - the Taylor part is just a couple of fragments, one with Lyons... doesn't fit to the 1965-09-10 entry on the sessionography, really...

thanks for the recommendation, took a note! that tatum I have somewhere, not played in a long time, though...

hm, tenor? there some swiss trombone players also making use of alphorn (roberth morgenthaler would be one, I think), but tenor and from austria? not one of wolfgang puschnig's projects?

Yup, Shilkloper was what I thought of reading the thread title. That lady - jazz? Hell no! Stupid crap... I once saw her do a "song" in a TV comedy show, she goofed quite a bit and she's oh well... just another bad entertainment character. No way I'd call this jazz. If you'd be interested in some kind of jazz/swiss folk fusion, I'd recommend searching for something by Hans Hassler (on Intakt records), Töbi Tobler (check my blog for some), or Roland Schildknecht (who takes part in various projects, but had an important - at least for Swiss jazz - album out in the 80s with a band called "Schildpatt", the album was called "Bunju" and is on CD). Hassler plays accordion and is no jazz (but an improvising musician), while both Tobler and Schildknecht play the hackbrett (hammered dulcimer). Tobler more folksy, but with lots of improvisation and some astonishing ideas, while Schildknecht does many things, from "salonmusik" to jazz to electronic/ambient (of the good kind, in my opinion, with quite some illustruous folks collaborating, including Barbara Dennerlein).

Thanks for that info, Ed - sounds interesting, though I haven't dug deeper into Dixon's music yet. I guess I could have googled it up myself, but I'm so deep into stupid stuff my time on the web is scaled down to browsing some on Org these days

Happy Birthday, Ronald!

Yes, it's a pity! This music has a different quality from other traditional jazz of those years, I think. Much more focus on the blues (I think upon Lion's demand, in many cases). I guess in the end Classics is one of the easier possibilities (also in the case of Meade Lux Lewis, for instance).

Just in case - for the nitpickers: the other three releases (next ot Runnin' Wild by Bechet, the BN Jazzmen and the Ed Hall) were the BN Swingets (should have really been a 2CD complete set or 3CD if necessary), the George Lewis disc (leaving two discs' worth of yet to be reissued material which never will be reissued either), and there was I think one more? Then there also was a single disc of the Port of Harlem Jazzmen (adding a session by I think Bechet whcih wasn't on the Mosaic).

They should have at least put together a double disc set or something back when they had those 60th birthday early BN series! They also should have given us the material from disc four of the Johnson/Hall/DeParis/etc Mosaic... the rest I figured is all on the "Blue Note Jazzmen" double set and the Edmond Hall "Profoundly Blue" disc - that was a marvellous batch of reissues, too bad there was only one... the only later disc was a second helping from Sidney Bechet, "Fabulous" - I'd love to see some more of these blues-drenched recordings! Much more than more Rare Grooves, I guess... and much more than RVGs of stuff that's been reissued twice already in the CD era! Maybe they could sell Hodes as a Russian traitor who turned himself over to the grand nation of creationism or some such crap, just so people would run and buy it

Ok, am I hip enough to post here? I have Newton's Chrono Classics disc - what else is there to look for?

I think 9 euro, maybe 9.50 but I don't have access to my mails right now, could check again from home later.

pm sent on Condon!

Yes, my wish as well! The music is excellent, I have about a disc's worth on that Hot Jazz on Blue Note 4CD set. I'd love to buy it all!

What is "Dixonia"? A Bill Dixon sessionography/discography/timeline? That Rose boot Mingus/Taylor I have somewhere, need to play it again soon! I have a hunch that the panel discussion is around somewhere, but maybe then again it was only the transcript I ever saw - no time to dig through the old files and piles of CDRs right now, but maybe someone else who's involved in some trading knows more?

indeed nothing around as far as I know... but some boots are documented, see here: http://www.webmutations.com/ceciltaylor/

I wouldn't order from them directly - they seem to be sort of Universal's website in Yurp, so likely you can find the discs you want cheaper elsewhere... but I never tried, maybe they offer good service, it's just that from experience with the big labels, ordering directly usually means you pay a bit more (same with Blue Note, for instance).