king ubu

was Oliver Lake an interesting player in 1979? (I think he's extremely boring nowadays... saw Trio 3 on occassion of their new CD and it was so lame... only Workman was any good...)

"Schindler's List" is wrong in so many ways. Rather wait till they're grown up and show them Lanzman's "Shoah". And get rid of the expression "holocaust" which is wrong, too.

I have it with IE at work, but not with Opera at home!

infectious is the right word - indeed it is!

I think that's part of the point though. There are new generations that didn't experience what you did, or saw what you've seen. It's not readily available for most of the world's population. If this helps younger people to begin to understand the atrocities that the Nazis perpetrated on fellow humans, it's beneficial, IMO. Agreed, I guess my point is that this "new" material is not as shocking as much of what preceded it. If the purpose of the post was to remind the old and educate the young, more effective documentation has been available for over 6 decades. Let's face it, many of these newly discovered photos are pretty uneffective when taken out of context--an up-turned blueberry bowl is not even remotely as horrifying as piles of shoes, life-starved faces, or a glimpse of Ilse's lamp shades. It's all disturbing beyond measure and, Ubu, you shouldn't take anything I say here personally. Thanks for starting this thread, which no one really regards as useless. It's just that this been there done that attitude that's spreading all over the board can be a bit of a nuisance, hence my reaction - I'm young, I've not been there and said everything, and indeed I found the article and the site interesting and it did move me. Anyway, this thread is of course not useless, there's been some interesting points made and I enjoyed reading people's comments, mostly. As I said, just that attitude does annoy me, here and elsewhere, too...

Went with Roy Eldridge, not Woody Herman... into disc 2 by now

my disc 7 is ok! no wrong sequencing there!

oooh, sorry, didn't mean to discriminate the elite!

welcome aboard, sir! we've had this long tradition of posting what we're listening right now, over here: http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=3849 also for Mosaic and for other box sets: http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=10369 http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=31838

Finally came around playing the Harry James parts, and guess what: I like it! Not just the few solos by the great Willie Smith, but most of James' own soloing is a joy to hear, the arrangements are nice (some good Ernie Wilkins, some almost new testament Basie stuff), some kitschy stuff with mandolins and whistling (ok, just two tunes really), some nice tenor by rather little known guys, a couple of good spots by the likes of Juan Tizol and Buddy Rich, some sugary sweet Helen Forrest (from one of the Hi-Fi albums) - nothing of it heavy-weight, but all of it rather pleasant. And see, I got my set almost 3 years ago... no wonder no one noticed the wrong tracklisting or track sequence of disc 7 in time...

yesterday: disc 2-4 of the Elvin Jones Mosaic (all three albums with Wilbur Little on bass plus the first with the new band w/Gene Perla and Dave Liebman) - fantastic! now: Harry James Capitol recordings (discs 5-7 of the Krupa/James box) - rather nice, didn't expect to like it that much... to be followed by disc 3 of the Woody Herman, I think... will see.

gee what a useless thread, haven't we seen and said all before...

you're probably right, porcy - anyway I wasn't accusing you of cynicism! mike, I haven't read that, no... maybe next year after I'll get university done... will take a note!

I've had "Lighthouse At The Laguna" for a while - nice one, with varying line-ups. Picked up several others in my couple of Concord panic buying feasts but haven't played all of them yet... definitely lots of nice music, nothing earth-shattering, but if you enjoy folks such as Bob Cooper, Bud Shank, Bud Freeman a.o. blowing, you'll like most of the discs, I assume. Sonny Clark is on piano on one of the sets, by the way (done in 54, before he went east).

but that is one point that is almost completely neglected in those german papers I read sometimes (SZ) or regularly (FAZ, Die Zeit) - and in fact I find it quite distressing. I really hope that in the circumstances of Germany in the 60s and 70s, I wouldn't have turned into a "Sympathisant", but then who know, under those circumstances... interesting though to see what happens at BKA right now - very positive a developmet, even it much too late.

It works for me, Porcy. MG yeah, and you can be cynical and say thus issues such as the one discussed here aren't disturbing, or you can let thing get a bit closer to you (at least you can do that in our comfortable, non-endangered, position) and allow yourself to be shocked... hence the cynical part of us would say it's a luxury of civilisation to be shocked by such things... but I hope to never turn that cynical on such important issues.

"us" meaning mankind, not "me and others" - I'm not sure I would survive any of this, and somehow I'm glad about that.

I chose the thread's title in order not to downplay the issue... would be much easier to discuss this in german but then it would end up in a monologue, so... It *is* a distressing fact to me, each time I witness it again, that human beings have this ability to compensate, to behave in a make-believe civilised way no matter in what circumstances... but then possibly that's just some kind of darwinist trait that helps us survive, even in the grim surroundings of concentration camps or wherever.

I just got a shipping confirmation for the "Trio and Quintet" Ogun (incl. "Border Crossing" and "Marcel's Muse" - too bad he needed to die before I jumped for a leader disc of his... but then I really will have to consider a buying stop for several months soon, so... thanks for your recommendation, ep1! I'm sure I'll enjoy it a lot - nothing with Miller/Moholo so far that I haven't liked a lot! Thanks for posting the obits, too!

seems after looking through scholar.google.com hits for a quarter of an hour, all I'm interested in is actually on JSTOR... except for the books, but they not including bibliographies and only partial introductions aren't of any use... I'll explore some more, though, thanks!

I don't know if this has made the news in the US but it's worth having a look here: http://www.ushmm.org/research/collections/...ghts/auschwitz/ I will not post any of the photos here - go have a look at them yourself. It's all quite unsettling, to say the least. A parallel world, kind of... yet somehow I guess it's normal again, too... Borowski's stories give a shocking eye-witness account of a sort of normality even among the prisoners (granted he was a political prisoner, not a Jew). source: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/19/arts/des...m0S6jEZvdQQsSsg By the way: no, this shouldn't be in the political section, in my opinion.

again, why do you use jstor instead of scholar.google.com for searching? i thought it contained jstor plus a lot more...? because it gives you too much nonsense? Haven't tried scholar.google.com - didn't know it existed... anyway, JSTOR gives me access to the actual texts, I can save them as PDFs (if logged in to the VPN-client of my university, but I can do that from home). Will check that google thing out tomorrow, though!

finished the Bill Evans "Secret Sessions" box - so glad I got this one before it was too late (is it, by now? I got it from newbury, I think, some months ago...)

Yes, I quickly went through the other engines. JSTOR is the best by far, but it ends around 2000/2001, for never entries it seems for my area Project Muse is best, but then they duplicated most of the older stuff and had lots of hits in there that had absolutely no connection to my search... anyway, the others all didn't help me a lot as they're not really strong on historical materials...

just finished disc 6 - great box!