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That Burrell idea sounds great! I just got "All Day Long," have "All Night Long" from the 2001 sale in spring or summer, but I can't find it right now. The "Cats" album (with Trane, Sulieman and Flanagan) is excellent, too. The album with Jimmy Raney would fit also, I guess. Don't know that one. How abuot the one with Coltrane? Is that a jam session? I guess it was, but they did a bit more thinking than usual before starting to play... it's a beaut, for sure!

It's worth it; if you get it from ESP (or on the old Abraxas CD), you also get "Bells," which is a motherfucker... Isn't that part of the ESP box anyway? Just in case: the Ayler set includes another set from the same recording session - great stuff, of cousre! I think the Ayler tree that got sort of useless now that the HG box is out, included an alternate take from one cut on "Prophecy", which is not in the box. I have a vinyl dub CD (GetBack is the label, I think) of "Bells/Prophecy", need to upgrade that some day! The music is terrific, but I thought that (illegitimate) ESP box would include it.

Ohhhhh YES!!! it just so happened that I added some other irrelevant posts... alas I was sort of monologuing, which is only half as funny...

Thanks for clarifying!

I tend to respectfully disagree on the quantity vs. quality issue. If you look at it another way, you could say (take Jackie Mac as an example since he was on both labels) that Prestige did lots of throwaway jam/blowing albums, while Blue Note or Riverside had some kind of concept behind lots of albums (even if it was just the concept of pairing musician X with musician Y - they didn't just end up playing a bunch of blues tunes, as it often was the case on Prestige). I am not sure this leads somewhere, but I think a small label like Riverside/Jazzland can be just as important for reasons of documentation. Or take United Artists, not really a jazz label, but they did Thad Jones and Cecil Taylor and Benny Golson and Randy Weston...I just don't think that sheer quantity is what makes the difference. And just to make sure: I'm not saying the Prestige blowing concept was crap, I enjoy a lot of those albums!

The Riviera dates are fine - can't say anything about the impulse studio stuff though. Now that you have be box, make it next priority to fill in the gaps - I add a second, strong recommendation for "My Name is Albert Ayler" (Black Lion) - the version of Summertime is indeed quite something - One of the most touching pieces of music to be heard! The spirituals album is good, too ("Goin Home", also on Black Lion). About the Quartets with Cherry: I prefer "Hilversum" to "Vibrations" (on CD on Freedom). You should be able to get the Hilversum date by email from that Coppens guy - search for the Albert Ayler website and check there (in the news section, I assume - lots of good info is hidden there, the site is badly structured). Then, ther's a good live album of the strings band on hatOLOGY (Lörrach/Paris 1966) - get that one before it goes OOP, too (I have no idea how soon that will be)!

wasn't it up on the other site some seem to think one is not allowed to name here? or was that audio only? I think I have at least one 1967 DVD from there, but I'm at work and can't check right now...

reading Shirley for Rhoda i like them both a lot but i think i like the OJC of Scott/Turrentine "Blue Flames" even much better though it only has one album on it... It's just too much for me that both of these great organ ladies are called Scott, sorry... don't have "Blue Flames", but I have both "Trio Classics Vol. 1" and the Moodsville twofer of Scott just in trio, and they're great, too!

'cept you forgot about Riverside, which did a heck of a job documenting Hardbop, too, and recording artists that were also on Blue Note, as well as giving young and then unknown artists an opportunity to release their music (Bill Evans, Cannonball, Wes Montgomery...)

MG, thanks for this lenghty write-up! One question: what do you mean by "material from unissued LPs"? I have recently gotten "At Large" and I thought it's a collection taken from several LPs? Should it read: LPs never reissued on CD in their entirety?

Oh, and yes please on Shelly Manne! Make a few boxes, one with nice liners and photos from the 5CD live session, one with the experimental stuff, one with the non-experimental studio stuff, then an expanded box from the Manne-Hole gig, etc. Oh, and all the Hamp Hawes Trio stuff would be great, too! One of the euro cheapo bootos have done a 2CD Complete Trio Sessions set, though...

Yusef Lateef? Maybe a box covering his burst in 1957? I assume that's unlikely as Savoy and Verve don't mix with Prestige... but a Prestige/Riverside box might be great, too, or just a Riverside one also. But then they've all been out as OJCs. Benny Golson? Not sure Pepper's Contemporary stuff needs to be boxed, but I'd likely buy it, too. The non-Jaws Griff stuff sounds like a sound idea! I'd rather get that than a Griff/Jaws box, I think. And maybe a nice package of Cannonball's Japan and Paris gigs, both of which are spread over two CDs, each, I think? A Cannonball Riverside package might be great, anyway! Although with several great albums now on Capitol again, quite a junk of it would be missing... An Art Farmer or Farmer/Gryce set would be great, too. A Jackie Mac set I'd definitely get! Would adding the sideman appearances mean blowing it up to a huge one? If yes, don't add them... there'd be plenty of fine leader stuff, I assume (I'm still largely unfamiliar with his Prestige recordings).

Funny you include Z.T.'s Blues - that's one for the overrated thread, in my opinion... since people over there are just listing what they can't "connect" with, that would definitely be one where that's the case for me... Is Nigeria the one with Blakey going apeshit during Clarke's solo on "It Ain't Necessarily" so? That tune is soooo feghing great, it overshadows the whole 2CD set with these Green/Clark sessions for me.

Sonny Clark Trio is another one... not sure what I'd throw out to have that one in, but it's terrific! I think I like it best from all of Sonny's great BN albums.

Several of these are out now in Concord incarnations (universal logo on the traycard), including the Stitts, Brother 4 (rather lame) and I think I also saw the Scott/Stan T one (great one! as is the other Rhoda, with Lem Winchester and Kenny Burrell, respectively). The Booker/Patterson is out again, too. Seems Concord is not just deleting the stuff...many Pablo things I saw, also of course tons of the "classic" albums (Trane, Miles, Monk), and some of the later things, too (80s Jazztet, those glorious Art Farmer albums on Contemporary, etc). And to return back on topic at the end, I don't dig Houston, really... got an album (twofer) of his in the 2001 sale and I think it's pretty lame. Same goes for his sideman appearances... rather boring player. Red Holloway has not been discussed yet - he's on the great "Soulful Drums" twofer (sold as by McDuff nowadays, not by Dukes). Pretty good one, but Holloway has his bag of Griffin licks in there, which is a slight letdown... otherwise a very joyful and nice player. Oh, another favourite of mine is the after hours like Bill Jennings/Jack McDuff release in the Legends of Acid Jazz series! Probably lame for some, but I enjoy even their take on "Volare"...

Unit Structures is da shit, folks! It's difficult stuff, you might have to even try and concentrate, hit repeat, sit down and study - it's not your easy peasy Cornbread (run of the mill, as are most of Mogie's BNs - my fave? "Procrastinator", and fasten your seatbelts, I like "The Rajah" quite some...). Read up Ekkehard Jost's chapter of CT (in "Free Jazz", originally published when, late 60s I think?) - anyway, "Unit Structures" is a milestone of the music, of whatever music... only recorded in a very bad (amateurish?) way, alas. An RVG remaster wouldn't help there, as he is the messenger and knows exactly crap how they wanted to sound etc... I assume Cecil really wanted that album to sound like poop?! Cut that mythologistic crap, BN is just one of a bunch of great labels, RVG is just one of a bunch of able recording engineers (why does the Contemporary recording quality never get discussed, for instance? State of art, yet it's all BN BN BN BN!)

Sydney Bechet and Art Hodes and Albert Ammons and Meade Lux and James P. and Edmond Hall and George Lewis et.al. may be the truly underrated BN recording artists...

Oh, and this thread's about as overrated as is Blue Note in general.

just dropping by to say I *love* shawn's new avatar!

true! (uhm, the J.R. part, don't have the album, but I'll look for it!)

tough call, I am not sure at all, but just going on impulse, I'd say: - Monk Genius Vol. 1 & 2 - Bud Vol. 1 & 2 - Ornette @ Golden Circle Vol. 1 & 2 - Andrew Hill "Point of Departure" - Eric Dolphy "Out to Lunch" - Cannonball Adderley "Something Else" - Hank Mobley "Soul Station" that's already ten, and they include no Jackie Mac (probably Let Freedom Ring, or Destination Out), no Mogie (Procrastinator), Blakey (Free For All or Moanin'), no Silver (Stylings? no idea which I'd pick there... maybe Song for My Father?), JOS (Back at the Chicken Shack!!!), no Larry Young (Unity), no "Idle Moments", no "Stick Up!", no "Unit Structures" (HELLYEAH! Pity RVG wasn't able to record that one decently)... and no Bechet, Edmond Hall, James P., no Art Hodes, no Tina Brooks, no Joe Henderson (Page One?), no K.D. (Whistle Stop), no Dexter (Our Man in Paris), no Herbie Hancock (Inventions & Dimensions). Not easy, indeed!

Wasn't it "Salt Peanuts"? Either way I agree. Guy See? These titles somehow don't connect with the music, so no one can remember the titles of tunes you know like the back of your hand. MG you certainly jest, sir? to answer the original question, yes, I do many birds, ahem... KoKo is Cherokee, simple as that, no way anyone who really "heard" that Savoy side cannot remember it! Da shit, as they say. Quite an interesting thread here. Allen, the OJCs I am still missing (but "Bird at St. Nick's" is around in a sale, I'll look for it). Anyway, this altissimo thing sounds interesting. The sound issue I can't relate to, either - some of this stuff is soooo goddam good, sound won't matter once you're into it!

There's a sale going on here, too, albeit not at these great prizes (roughly 11$ per disc, this is two thirds of regular nice prize releases). I realized after buying a bunch that all are new, Universal pressings of OJCs. The traycard has the Universal logo printed on it, and so do the CDs themselves. I take this as a good sign that a whole lot of the catalogue is being continued.

"As for the brilliant Mr Altman himself," Ms Morrison added, "I suspect he might find sardonic comedic potential in all of this."

Goodbye is a good one, I think. Stenson has that ability to add small little idiosyncrasies or just a touch of irony to his elegiac playing. Or he just gets slighty out of the metre or plays his virtuoso runs totally unclean... stuff like that... was nice seeing him perform solo a few weeks ago. What he does is just a wee bit out of the ordinary and that's what makes it good, in my opinion.