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I have the Jazz Workshop double LP only, but: the strange sound on track 1 (the Medley) - if the distortion you're talking of is similar - is actually no distortion, but Mingus' slippers making some noise while he's stamping his foot. Cannot remember anything particular about "Meditations", but the recording quality is sure not the best!
ubu
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for this one! always liked it.ubu
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And AMG only lists the Jazz Epistles Vol. 1 - so I don't know if there actually were two volumes, or if the second maybe was only planned.
ubu
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Just saw that "The Mountain" is a compilation with tunes from "Ekaya" and "Water From an Ancient Well" (thanks, AMG.) So no need to jump for that one!
ubu
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Hope this helps, don't know about correctness of the above data, however!
ubu
Wow, I don't know how to thank you for all this work, just shows you everything is possible, now I just have to try to obtain some of these.
Thanks a million
No problem! Those CDs are annotated so scrappily, and now I can always go to my favorite BB and there everything is in one place
There are two more Kaz CDs by Dollar Brand, one called "The Mountain", and one called "Blues for a Hip King" (though I fear that one was not composed for my dear king ubu...). I have never had or seen them. Anyone knows more about them?
Then, my comment on Ibrahim's piano not being that important: I have to correct that. There's one p-solo track (on "African Sun" - the one wrongly annotated as a group track in the CD's booklet), and "Tintinyana" is mostly a trio affair (though that jam with Blue Mitchell, Buster Cooper and Harold Land is quite a lengthy thing).
Then yesterday, I gave a spin to "Voice of Africa". First time since at least 3 years. Wonderful stuff! Kippie and Mannenberg (that is Basil Coetzee) are two real, I mean REAL good saxophone players. They have that cry, so much soul, and those "african horns" playin' together get such a nice (and non-western) sound! I love it!
Then, I also never had the Jazz Epistles discs (yes, I remember there bein two of them). I will have to look for them, too.
And a general comment about South Africa in the sixties and seventies - though I was born only at the close end of the later decade... as a historian (or rather: as someone working to become a historian), I have some sort of sensibility, which somehow denies ZA of the apartheid being called "a fantastic time" - I mean, jazzwise or jive-wise it may have been just that, but I'd try to be a little bit catious in chosing my words.
---end of rant! no harm to be taken, just my two cents.
ubu
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Seen some more, lately: "Key Largo" (great!), "Deadline USA" (good for an hour, then it became way too pathetic...), today, I'll go for Fellini's "I vitelloni" (which I've only seen the parts shown in the great Scorsese feature film) , tomorrow, it will be "Amore in città" (with episodes done by Fellini, Antonioni, Lattuada, Risi and others), and next week, Rossellini's "L'amore"... An almost complete retrospective of Fellini has just started here
And as I 've passed my university exams for this summer, I'm going to catch as many as I can, including those I already know.
ubu
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The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance!
Lee Marvin is also awesome in this film.
HELL YEAH!
A great western, and a great movie - a movie on the myth of the movies...
ubu
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And thanks agin, Jim! Will have to wait with ordering till my purse feels a little bit better again - it's feeling sick and empty right now
Hell, I blame no one, but you folks always make me spend so much money on so much good music
ubu
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Thanks, Jim! That's an interesting site - never saw it. And they have all the Lars Gullin stuff on Dragon. Some of that Domnerus things sure would be nice to have, too!
ubu
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Thanks for sharing these memories, Shrdlu! Would love to konw a composition by Kippie Moeketsi! (I'm tryin' to play a little saxophone myself...
)ubu
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The Dragon thing, In Stockholm (1959), is fairly common (or used to be at least) and comes highly recommended. Check it out!
Thanks, Jim, hope I can find it somewhere!
ubu
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Mike Fitz's Grimes discog will have the final word on this: link
Thanks, David. Know that site (of course), but forgot checking there -_-
It gives Zurich as the place, and Swiss Radio as producer.
Jim: thanks for your insights! I always appreciate very much what you have to say about Rollins! I heard neither more of the march 59 stuff nor anything of the later. Will sure keep my eyes open for ANYTHING live by Rollins!
ubu
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I recently found that CD in a used-music store.
The Tracks are:
I REMEMBER YOU
I'VE TOLD EVERY LITTLE STAR
OLEO
WILL YOU STILLL BE MINE
IT COULD HAPPEN TO YOU
Rollins, ts; Henry Grimes, b; Pete La Roca, d. Zurich, March 5, 1959
SONNYMOON FOR TWO
Rollins, ts; Kenny Drew, p; NHOP, b; Albert Heath, d.
Is this accurate? I think there are no official recordings by Rollins from early 1959?
The following Rollins-link gives a Stockholm session for March 5, http://www.jazzdisco.org/newk-dis/. However, the tracks & CD-release are identiacl to what I have.
Was this recorded in Stockholm or in Zurich?
ubu
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I love those early Abdullah Ibrahim recordings! What I have is a CD (by Ibrahim) called "African Sun", which is one of four (?) Ibrahim albums released in the late eighties by Kaz Records. I have CDRs of two more of these, and a CDR of a compilation called "African Horns" featuring tracks by Ibrahim, Moeketsi, Barney Rachabane (two tracks, they include Bheki on piano).
Those CDs were annotated pretty crappy. The only dates included are those of release/printing.The following is the info I get from the CDs:
African Sun (Kaz CD 102)
( A ) Ibrahim, p; Moeketsi, as; Victor Ntomo, b; Nelson Magwaza, d. 1971 Soultown Records
AFRICAN SUN
BRA JOE FROM KILIMANJARO
ROLLING
MEMORIES OF YOU (yeah, the standard by Blake-Razaf! and what a beautiful rendition!)
( B ) Ibrahim, p; Dennis Mpale, t; Barney Rachabane, as; Basil Coetzee, ts; Duku Makasi, ts; Sipho Gumede, b; Peter Morake, d. 1975 Sun Records
SATHIMA
( C ) Ibrahim, p; Rachabane, as; Basil Moses, b; Gilbert Mathews, d. 1975 Gallo
AFRICAN HERBS
( D ) Ibrahim, p; Rachabane, as; Victor Ntoni, b; Timmy Kwebulana, d. 1977 Gallo
NOBODY KNOWS THE TROUBLE I'VE SEEN (Trad.)
( E ) Ibrahim, p; Robbie Jansen, as; Basil Coetzee, ts; Paul Michaels, b; Monty Webber, d. 1977 Gallo
BLUES FOR B
( F ) Ibrahim solo (wrongly annotated as a sextet track). Prob. 1977 Gallo
GWIDZA
( G ) Ibrahim, p; Coetzee, ts; Moses, b; Mathews, d. 1979 Gallo
KAMALIE
African Horns (Kaz CD 8)
(This gives no release years & companies)
( A ) Ibrahim, cello; Coetzee, ts; Gumede, b; Mathews, d
NEXT STEP SOWETO
( B ) Moeketsi, as; Dennis Philips, as; Coetzee, ts; Pat Matshikiza, p; Alex Khaoli, b; Sipho Mabuse, d
TSHONA (Matshikiza)
( C ) Ibrahim, p; Coetzee, ts; Moses, b; Webber, d
BLACK AND BROWN CHERRIES
( D ) Barney Rachabane, as; Bheki, p; Gumede, b; Mathews, d
TEGENI (Rachabane)
( E ) Ibrahim, p; Robbie Jansen, as; Coetzee, ts, Michaels, b; Webber, d
MSUNDUZA
( F ) Rachabane, as; Duku Makasi, ts, Bheki, p, Gumede, b; Mathews, d
MAFUTA (Rachabane)
Voice of Africa (Kaz CD 101)
( A ) Ibrahim, p; Moeketsi, as; Coetzee, ts; Makasi, ts; Gumede, b; Mathews, d. Ekapa 1976
BLACK LIGHTNING
LITTLE BOY
BLACK AND BROWN CHERRIES
( B ) Ibrahim, p; Coetzee, ts; Moses, b; Weber(aka Webber), d. Ekapa 1977
This could be the same session as ( C ) from "African Horns"
NTYILO NTYILO (Davashe, arr. Ibrahim)
( C ) Ibrahim, p; Jansen, as/fl; Coetzee, ts/fl; Michaels, b; Weber (aka Webber), d. Gallo 1977
This could be the same session as ( E ) from "African Horns" and ( E ) from "African Sun"
MANNENBERG IS WHERE IT'S HAPPENING (CAPE TOWN FRINGE)
THE PILGRIM
Tintinyana (Kaz CD103)
( A ) Ibrahim, p; Mpale, t; Rachabane, as; Coetzee, ts; Makasi, ts; Gumede, b; Morake, d. 1975 Gallo
This is possibly the same session as ( B ) from "African Sun"
SOWETO'S WHERE IT'S AT
( B ) Ibrahim, p; Ntoni, b; Nelson Magwaza, d. Gallo 1971
TINTINYANA
JUST A SONG (D. Mason)
LITTLE BOY
SHRIMP BOATS (Howard-Weston)
SALAAM
CHERRY
( C ) Ibrahim, p; Blue Mitchell, t; Buster Cooper, tb; Harold Land, ts; Basil Coetzee, ts; Lionel Beukes, b; Doug Sydes, d. Gallo 1979
BRA JOE FROM KILIMANJARO
Blues For A Hip King (prob. Kaz CD104)
( A ) Ibrahim, p; Moeketsi, as; Coetzee, ts/fl; Makasi, ts; Gumede, b; Mathews, d. Gallo 1976
Maybe same session as ( A ) from "Voice of Africa", though dates do not correspond.
BLUE MONK (Thelonious Monk)
( B ) Ibrahim, p; Robbie Jansen, as; Coetzee, ts; Arthur Jacobs, ts; Lionel Beukes, b; Nazier Kapdi, d. Gallo 1974
ORNETTE'S CORNET
ALL DAY & ALL NIGHT LONG
( C ) Ibrahim, p; Blue Mitchell, t/flh; Buster Cooper, tb; Coetzee, ts/fl; Beukes, b; Doug Sydes, d. prob. also Harold Land, ts. Gallo 1976
This is probably the same session as ( C ) from "Tintinyana", though the dates do not correspond; Land is mentioned in the liner notes, I have not yet listened to the disc.
SWEET BASIL BLUES
TSAKWE HERE COMES THE POSTMAN
BLUES FOR A HIP KING
( D ) Ibrahim, p; Victor Ntoni, b; Makaya Ntshoko, d. Gallo 1979
BLUES FOR B
MYSTERIOSO (sic) (Thelonious Monk)
JUST YOU JUST ME (Green)
ECCLIPSE AT DAWN
KING KONG (Matshikiza)
KHUMBULA JANE (Davashe, arr. Ibrahim)
Jazz In Africa Volume Two (Kaz CD 28)
( A ) Kippie Moeketsi, as; Dennis Phillips, as (#1 only); Basil Coetzee, ts; Pat Matshikiza, p; Alec Khaoli, b; Sipho Mabuse, d. (originally released under Moeketsi's name as "Tshona", recorded mid-seventies)
TSHONA (Matshikiza)
STOP AND START (Matshikiza)
UMGABABA (Moeketsi)
KIPPIE'S PRAYER (Moeketsi)
Tshona is identical with the same tune on "African Horns"
( B ) Barney Rachabane, ts; Basil Coetzee, ts; Duke Makasi, ts; Tete Mbambisa, p; Sipho Gumede, b; Gilbert Matthews, d
AFRICAN DAY (Trad.)
( C ) Robbie Jansen, as/fl; Basil Coetzee ts/fl; Arthur Jacobs, ts/fl; Abdullah Ibrahim, p; Lionel Beukes, b; Nazier Kapdi, d (session led by Ibrahim)
KALAHARI
(All compositions by Ibrahim, unless noted otherwise)
While Ibrahim is generally quite in the background on these sessions, the saxophone players are uniformly excellent, in my opinion (though it's several years ago that I listened to this music for the last time - gotta check it out again soon!). Moeketis and Coetzee being my favorites.
Hope this helps, don't know about correctness of the above data, however!
Edit, 9/24/03: added details of Blues For A Hip King (which I just received in its Camden release from 1998)
Edit, 10/2/03: added details of Jazz in Africa Volume Two (Kaz CD 28)
ubu
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Tony, I got mine from amazon.fr. Before I ordered it, it said, "Order fast, only 2 left", when I had ordered one, gone it was. It's not even listed as "not available any more" now. Left no traces...
Checked my discs 2 and 7. They clock in at more than 40 and some 32 minutes, respectively, so I guess they should be correct. (I have not yet come further than disc 2 in listening, as I only have the box for two or three weeks now).
And
, that was a thread *I* started, where this was discussed, and I couldn't remember anymore, not even when I searched for Taylor, it came to my mind... guess I need a new one!...and I appreciate your -just wanted to say, forget it!- help!
thanks!
ubu
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Chaney - what was there about the 2 ts set? I recently got hold of the last amazon copy, and would be very displeased, if there was something wrong, because I don't think there would be any possibility to replace it now!
thanks,
ubu
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Cool! Thanks for keeping us updated!
ubu
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I seem to get your point, whilst not sharing your view. What do you think of Jimi Hendrix? Or Tony Williams' Lifetime, Miles Davis' "In A Silent Way" and "Bitches Brew" (all with John McLaughlin)?
I mean, it's perfectly alright not to like this, and who knows what is a step forward and what is/was just a step to some side...
I personally like Raney, Bauer, Smith, also Burrell, Green, Montgomery, and of course Christian and Django better than post-1968 (or whenever the "new" sounds started) most of the time.
Maybe someone here can give you some good recommendations for records that include distortion and whatever sounds, which would be a good introduction for you.
Maybe the first disc of Williams' Lifetime? I think that was called "Emergency", and it includes Larry Young on organ.
Maybe something by John Abercrombie, or John Scofield?
ubu
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No extra, but you may try djangos. They don't have it in stock, but from my experience, they might come up with one.
ubu
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Good idea to discuss this!
The only ones I have so far (I picked them up recently for very few $$) are "Sama Layuca" and "13th House", a big-band affair. I like both of these quite a lot.
The music has on the one hand sort of a post-Coltrane-consciuosness, while, on the other hand, it seems yet far more individual and Tyner's own thing than the (nice, but not great, in my opinion) Impulse dates.
Tyner is still going very strong, however. Heard some broadcasts of him solo and in a trio with Al Foster.
ubu
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Yes, a very good one indeed! Nice to hear Sulieman in such stellar company.
Flanagan's trio track "How Long Has This Been Going on" is stunning. He had such a nice touch!
And Doug Watkins... words fail. That's a BASS-sound!
ubu
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HOly cow! I didn't see that bagpipe thing! Should stop posting a minute before going to sleep! However, that session sure looks interesting!
ubu
The source:
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That's what I found:
John Coltrane Sextet
John Coltrane (ss, ts) Eric Dolphy (as, bcl) McCoy Tyner (p) Art Davis, Reggie Workman (B) Elvin Jones (d)
``Village Gate'', NYC, August 8-September 3, 1961
unknown titles rejected
John Coltrane Quartet
John Coltrane (ss, ts) McCoy Tyner (p) Jimmy Garrison (B) Elvin Jones (d)
``Showboat'', Philadelphia, PA or ``Village Gate'', NYC, April 16, 1964
2 unknown titles private tape
John Coltrane Quartet
John Coltrane (ss, ts) McCoy Tyner (p) Jimmy Garrison (B) Elvin Jones (d)
``Showboat'', Philadelphia, PA or ``Village Gate'', NYC, July, 1964
My Favorite Things private tape
2 unknown titles -
John Coltrane Quartet
John Coltrane (ts) McCoy Tyner (p) Jimmy Garrison (B) Elvin Jones (d)
``Village Gate'', NYC, March 28, 1965
90374 Nature Boy Impulse A 90
Bass Solo unissued
One Down, One Up -
* The New Wave in Jazz / various artists (Impulse A 90)
John Coltrane Octet
John Coltrane (ss, ts, bcl, per, bagpipes) Carlos Ward (as) Pharoah Sanders, Archie Shepp (ts, per) McCoy Tyner (p) Jimmy Garrison (B) Rashied Ali, Elvin Jones (d)
``Village Gate'', NYC, September, 1965
Afro Blue rejected
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Would "rejected" indicate these recordings were made by Impulse?
ubu
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Jackie Brown, L'ascenseur pour l'echafaud, The man with the golden arm
Delerue (also his Godard soundtracks, such as Le mépris), and many of the the more recent Godard soundtracks, where the soundtrack alone can be heard as sort of an "audio-film" (similar to what some releases on the Winter&Winter label achieve)
almost anything by Morricone, Max Steiner
my perrennial favorite: Nono Rota (8 1/2, La dolce vita, Godfather, Il gattopardo etc)
ubu
Dexter Gordon - The Squirrel:Live at Montmartre
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Ditto again!
AT really makes this something special. Nice booklet, too, with some cool photographs. I think this one has the edge over the Blakc Lion Montmartre recordings, at least as far as sudden impact is concerned. A really swinging club date.
ubu