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That's a funny story... "Quintet Plus" might well be the first Cannon CD I'd forgot I have it!
Here's another good one, featuring some very nice solos from Cannonball:
It features Joe Newman as the other principal soloist. Very cool CD!
ubu
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The Kaz CDs I've found to be extremely scarce in the U.S...I've only seen a few of them in a store in Berkeley, CA, once. However, I was once fortunate enough to work out a CD-R trade with a fellow BN BB member and received all of the Kaz Ibrahim CDs listed above...they are superb, truly a remarkable body of work and one that is worthy of a much nicer, better annotated collection (as the Penguin Guide guys point out, the Kaz CDs are EXTREMELY sketchy on details and sometimes contain flat out inaccuracies). I doubt we'd ever see it but it would be nice if someone like Mosaic would give proper tribute to Ibrahim's glory period.
DrJ: If you have all of the above, you are missing one called "Blues For A Hip King" - I just today received shipping confirmation for that one from amazon.com. Try it there!
I don't really know, but it seems the Camden discs are sonically superior (I'm no sound fetishist, however) to the Kaz discs. In the Jazz Epistles disc (from 1998) it says "These recordings have been restored and remastered, where possible, to the original standard." - Sounds good, maybe though it's just plain nonsense?
And do you have the Jazz in Africa Volume 2? If so, could you please type out the track list and more importantly the musicians & session dates for me? (PM me or post it here please! Would be happy to know what exactly is on this disc!)
Then: do you happen to see some mistakes (you know of) in my discography posted early in this thread? If so, please PM or post them, so I'll go and correct it!
thanks,
ubu
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Just listening to the Jazz Epistles disc! It arrived this morning. Wonderful music! Though the later encounters of Brand/Moeketsi somehow strike me as riper, more individual.
The CD I have now is the Camden reissue (1998), not the Kaz one (that would be from the late eighties, if it really came out on Kaz, too).
No personnel and date is given. Is the following correct:
Hugh Masekela t
Jonas Gwangwa tb
Kippie Moeketsi as
Dollar Brand p
Johnny Gertze b
Makaya Ntshoko d
And the date? September 195? (September is mentioned in the liners, but no year is given)
Are the 14 tracks all from one date? Is this the complete output of the band? In the liners, an album released shortly after recording is mentioned - this would surely not have included all the music (72'28" is what my disc has) of the CD?
Were there two albums and something left off from the CD?
Then AMG helped re. "Jazz in Africa Volume Two" (though not too much help):
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&u...l=A3b6tk6axqkr0
So this is a Moeketsi disc, not a Jazz Epistles one (the liners of my CD - written by Donald McRae - make believe that Volume 1 DOES indeed include the WHOLE output of the Epistles).
Amazon lists it as available, too:
Amazon, Jazz In Africa Volume Two
And here's the cover:
I wonder if this is something similar to the "African Horns" CD (of which the discographical info can be found in one of my previous posts.)?
ubu
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I have as many as I could find - came to know the series only as late as 1997 or 1998.
Those I don't have: Whistle Stop, The Connection, Heavy Soul, A Slice of the Top, the Dodo Greene one
Those I have in Mosaics or as TOCJs or RVGs (and therefore did not pick up as Conns even if I could have): Basra, the Hills, the Parlans, The All Seeing Eye, Leeway, True Blue, The Connection
Conn LPs I have: Symphony for Improvisers, Congregation, Davis Cup, Ready for Freddie, Empty Foxhole
Then I have only picked up the Byrd/Watkins from the last batch (for 10$!) so far.
I'm actually no completist of this particular series, but this is the easiest way to get those sessions for me. Japanese stuff hardly ever shows up here, and if, it's horrendously priced (up to 30$ per CD).
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Quincy: sorry, I forgot to say I meant the later boxes only. I have all of them save the J.J., but will get that one once it's out here, I suppose.
danasgoodstuff: thanks for explaining. Do you just go for vinyl because you prefer it, or is there a difference between the "Go Ahead John" on CD/LP?
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Lucky Thompson, last track on the wonderful, great, sublime "Lucky Strikes" album, with Hank Jones, Richard Davis and Connie Kay.
On Jaco's "Birthday Concert", there is an extended version, with Michael Brecker and Bob Mintzer (one of the very few records, where I don't mind Brecker's presence...)
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well, my link does not work. Make a search for "vogue jazz", and you'll find some of the "Original Vogue Masters" (together with some other less interesting items).
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And these three collect a nice bunch of sessions:
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This link gives you (all?) of what's still available (and some more not from these series):
http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/search-ha...5410900-2969847
I highly recommend the following ones:
(you sure all have this, but...)
and here comes a personal favorite, a great record by a great saxophone player:
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and anyone know whether this stuff has been issued on CD? And more importantly whether it is available or incredibly OOP
couw: don't know about the Moody stuff (but sure would love to hear that! Picked up all the Hodeir stuff from the Jazz In Paris series as well as the one from the Original Vogue Masters).
The Gillespie, Hampton (I posted the cover and link for that above) and all the Brownie stuff was available in the Original Vogue Masters series. A very good series. Over on AAJ (cannot link right now) I posted a list of this series. I managed to pick up most of them, and can only recommend everyone else to do so, too! Some great stuff by Dizzy, Brownie, Byas, Bobby Jaspar, Martial Solal etc.
The easiest way to find at least some of them is amazon.fr.
ubu
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How can you tell that they've got copy protection, Couw?
With the latest RVGs, it's written right besides the RVG-Series beneath the spine of the CD (don't know it this makes sense, hell, at least I tried). Second attempt: when you have the CD in front of you, you can read the RVG (or Conn)-logo on the left side. And with the copy-protected ones, you read: "copy protected Rudy Van Gelder Series"
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Vincent: down in the left you got "Moderation Options". There you can choose "Delete topic", then hit OK, and off go your multiple threads. (I had the same problem last week, too, and couw told me how this works, would not have known myself, otherwise)
ubu
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As I understand it the Jack Johnso box will have only the "as played" bits and pieces of "Go Ahead John" but NOT the "as originally released" final mix that Teo assembled from them. For that you still need Big Fun which overlapps with the Bitches Brew box and has one tune from the On the Corner sessions not available elsewhere ("Ife"?). And here I thought I could get everything just once by going the boxed set route, silly me. That not so minor annoyance aside, I'm still looking forward to this as much as anything recently--lots of stuff I haven't heard and I've heard all the officially released Miles. Will there be a collection of Miles studio stuff from On the Corner thru Get Up With It?
Don't they include the original tracks at the end of the box? As with the In A Silent Way box? I thought that was a good idea! AMG says those tracks are right there, at the end of disc 5.
Then another question regarding "Ife" - I did wait to get into the studio electric Miles until the box-sets came ahead (with some exceptions of course), so I don't have any of the 2LP (now 2CD) sets (Big Fun, Get Up With It etc). Now my question: that track "Ife" - does it not belong in the timeframe of one of the boxes? Or did they "forget" it? And are there other things available NOT as parts of the box-sets, and if so, what tracks on what CDs?
As I understand it, the whole of "On the Corner" is not included (and not scheduled to be either) in any of the boxes. So why did they not give us a CD or a double CD containing all the tracks from those dates?
Then: are there other studio sessions, post Jack Johnson, available only on those compilations?
thanks,
ubu
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Get it or regret it!
Get if, yeah!
I got mine. Got the Capitol just BEFORE the centennial (which of course was the reason why suddenly it seemed to evaporate...) and then already thought the Reprise could go quickly, too...
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Jim: the following Blue Note Sessions were recorded in Paris. At least the Clifford Brown stuff (which was also on Prestige CDs), (some of) the Gillespie and the Hampton recordings are known to me as Vogue recordings. The Legge session actually looks like it would fit very nicely with the two volumes called "Piano Collection Volume 1/2" (with sessions by Erroll Garner, George Wallington, Al Haig, Jimmy Jones and Arnold Ross - all very good to great stuff by the way, those should also be available from amazon.fr)
It seems like Blue Note did have some sort of a deal to release that stuff states-side.
Anyone knows more about this?
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BLP 5005 James Moody with Strings
Rene Reumont (frh) Max Porret (fl) Robert Jeannotot (ob) Henri Bellicourt (cl, bcl) James Moody (as, ts) Marcel Beaujojan, Lionel Gali, Jean Gaunet, Charles Vaudevoir (vln) Robert Jadoux, Guy Rogne (vlc) Bernard Gallais (harp) Raymond Fol (p) Pierre Michelot (B) Pierre Lemarchand (d) Pepito Riebe (bgo) Andre Hodeir (arr, cond)
Paris, France, July 13, 1951
* Loving You the Way I Do, Bedelia, Autumn Leaves, So Very Pretty, Singing for You, Shades of Blonde, Jackie My Little Cat, September Serenade
BLP 5017 Horn of Plenty / Dizzy Gillespie
Dizzy Gillespie (tp, vo) Don Byas (ts) Arnold Rose (p) Joe Benjamin (B) Bill Clark (d)
Paris, France, March 27, 1952
* Hurry Home, Afro-Paris
Dizzy Gillespie (tp, vo) Bill Tamper (tb) Hubert Fol (as) Don Byas (ts) Raymond Fol (p) Pierre Michelot (B) Pierre Lemarchand (d)
Paris, France, April 11, 1952
* Lady Bird, Somebody Loves Me, She's Funny That Way, Wrap Your Troubles in Dreams, Sweet Lorraine, Everything Happens to Me
BLP 5031 New Faces - New Sounds / Wade Legge
Wade Legge (p) Lou Hackney (B) Al Jones (d)
Paris, France, February 27, 1953
* Perdido, Dream a Little Dream on Me, Wade Leg's Blues, A Swedish Folksongs, Dance of the Infidels, Aren't Glad You're You, These Foolish Things, Why Don't You Believe Me?
BLP 5046 Lionel Hampton in Paris
Walter Williams (tp) Jimmy Cleveland, Al Hayse (tb) Mezz Mezzrow (cl) Clifford Scott (ts) Lionel Hampton (vib) Claude Bolling (p) Billy Mackel (g) Monk Montgomery (B) Curley Hamner (d)
Paris, France, September 28, 1953
* Real Crazy, Real Crazy (More and More)
Lionel Hampton (vib) Billy Mackel (g) Monk Montgomery (B)
* Always, September in the Rain
BLP 5047 Clifford Brown Quartet
Clifford Brown (tp) Henri Renaud (p) Pierre Michelot (B) Benny Bennett (d)
Paris, France, October 15, 1953
* Blue and Brown, I Can't Dream Can't I? (take 1), The Song Is You (take 1), Come Rain or Come Shine (take 1), It Might as Well Be Spring (take 1), You're a Lucky Guy (take 1)
BLP 5048 Gigi Gryce - Clifford Brown Sextet
Clifford Brown (tp) Gigi Gryce (as) Henri Renaud (p) Jimmy Gourley (g) Pierre Michelot (B) Jean-Louis Viale (d)
Paris, France, October 8, 1953
* Minority, Salute to Bandbox
omit Gourley
* Strictly Romantic, Baby
BLP 5049 Gigi Gryce and his Big Band, Vol. 1 / Gigi Gryce, Clifford Brown
Art Farmer (tp) Jimmy Cleveland (tb) Tony Ortega (as) Clifford Solomon (ts) Quincy Jones (p) Pierre Michelot (B) Alan Dawson (d)
Paris, France, September 26, 1953
* La Rose Noire
Clifford Brown, Art Farmer, Fred Gerard, Fernand Verstraete, Walter Williams (tp) Quincy Jones (tp, arr) Jimmy Cleveland, Al Hayse, Bill Tamper (tb) Gigi Gryce, Tony Ortega (as) Henri Bernard, Clifford Solomon (ts) Henri Jouot (bars) Henri Renaud (p) Pierre Michelot (B) Alan Dawson (d)
Paris, France, September 28, 1953
* Brown Skins
omit Gerard
* Deltitnu, Keeping Up with Jonesy
Jones plays (tp); Benny Vasseur (tb) Andre Dabonneville (ts) William Boucaya (bars) Jean-Louis Viale (d) replaces Gerard, Verstraete, Tamper, Bernard, Jouot, Dawson
Paris, France, October 9, 1953
* Quick Step, Bum's Rush
BLP 5050 Gigi Gryce and his Little Band, Vol. 2 / Gigi Gryce, Clifford Brown
Jimmy Cleveland (tb) Gigi Gryce, Tony Ortega (as) Clifford Solomon (ts) William Boucaya (bars) Henri Renaud (p) Pierre Michelot (B) Alan Dawson (d) Quincy Jones (arr)
Paris, France, September 26, 1953
* Purple Shades
omit Jones
* Paris the Beautiful
Art Farmer (tp) Jimmy Cleveland (tb) Tony Ortega (as) Clifford Solomon (ts) Henri Renaud (p) Alf Masselier (B) Alan Dawson (d)
Paris, France, September 28, 1953
* Strike Up the Band
Clifford Brown (tp) Jimmy Cleveland (tb) Gigi Gryce, Tony Ortega (as) Clifford Solomon (ts) William Boucaya (bars) Quincy Jones (p) Marcel Dutrieux (B) Jean-Louis Viale (d)
Paris, France, October 11, 1953
* All Weird
Clifford Brown (tp) Jimmy Cleveland (tb) Gigi Gryce (as) Clifford Solomon (ts) Henri Renaud (p) Jimmy Gourley (g) Pierre Michelot (B) Jean-Louis Viale (d)
Paris, France, October 19, 1953
* Chez Moi
omit Brown, Cleveland, Gryce
* Hello
BLP 5051 Gigi Gryce Quintet/Sextet, Vol. 3 [unissued] / Gigi Gryce, Clifford Brown
Clifford Brown (tp) Gigi Gryce (as) Henri Renaud (p) Jimmy Gourley (g) Pierre Michelot (B) Jean-Louis Viale (d)
Paris, France, September 29, 1953
* Blue Conception, All the Things You Are
omit Gourley
* I Cover the Waterfront, Goofin' with Me
Art Farmer (tp) Jimmy Cleveland (tb) Tony Ortega (as) Henri Renaud (p) Marcel Dutrieux (B) Jean-Louis Viale (d)
Paris, France, October 10, 1953
* Serenade to Sonny
Gigi Gryce (as) Quincy Jones (p) Jimmy Gourley (g) Marcel Dutrieux (B) Jean-Louis Viale (d)
Paris, France, October 19, 1953
* Evening in Paris
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I will, if I get a chance! Thanks for recommending it!
And you go see the Wilder one if you can! I've seen it in a new copy a year or so ago. Hell! It's great! While you're still laughing at one joke, you have already missed the following two or three. And he's not just being funny as hell, but rather as critical as you can get, and more witty than in any other of his films I've seen.
And then, it's cool to have Jimmy Cagney and Horst Buchholz starring together!
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couw - you certainly appreciate Billy Wilder's "One, two, three"! Know it?
Have not seen Goodbye Lenin myself - several people told me all the jokes before I could see it myself...
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I like the few things I've heard or have from Lloyd (Passin' through with Chico, Canto, one of the Atlantics). Then I've seen him live once (a month and a half after 9-11, which seemed to have hit him quite hard), and that was a great experience! He was with John Abercrombie, Marc Johnson and Billy Hart and played a beautiful concert. Recently, he was in Germany with Geri Allen, Robert Hurst and Eric Harland. Heard broadcast, and he again was playing great, the band being great, too. Surely post-Coltrane in general mood, but his style of playing the saxophone is entirely his own, a rather unique affair, I'd say. I think seing him live makes a huge difference to just hearing him on record. He's got sort of an aura (maybe the one Benjamin meant?) when being on stage performing.
I have not yet picked up the CD reissue of Cannonball's Fiddler on the Roof, but I guess that must be a good one, too!
And how about a "Complete Atlantic Recordings of the Charles Lloyd Quartet" Mosaic set? That would sure be a good one, and it would sure demonstrate that this music still functions very well today!
ubu
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Thelonious Monk - Monk in Paris: Live at the Olympia - w/ bonus DVD (Thelonious/Hyena) Sept 23
Thelonious Monk (piano); Charlie Rouse (saxophone); Larry Gales (bass); Ben Riley (drums). Recorded live in Paris, France on March 7, 1965.
1. Rhythm-A-Ning
2. Body & Soul
3. I Mean You
4. April In Paris
5. Well You Needn't
6. Bright Mississippi
7. Epistrophy
The DVD tracks were recorded in Oslo, Norway in 1966: "Lulu's Back In Town," "Blue Monk" and "Round Midnight."
Is this the quartet part of the concert also featuring the tentet? Or was that from 1964?
ubu
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GoM: yes, that Powell date with Navarro & Rollins has a sound, a cohesion and style of playing, which somehow seems (hate that term, but...) ahead of their time.
Then concerning Blakey: I'd also rather take the Silver Messengers (or the live at the Bohemia stuff from the same unit) as starting point of Hard bop. Then there would be the Miles dates with Silver (the third Blue Note date, Walkin', the Rollins-part of Bags' Groove) which are from about the same time (all 1954).
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Dan - wish you all the best for the year(s) to come.
And may that "Complete Three Sounds Blue Note Sessions" Mosaic see the light one fine day...
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What Hampton Atlantic is there that Collectables hasn't yet put out?
How good are those Collectables reissues (soundwise)? We get them here for abotu 25$ which is certainly far too much, and then I find them to have crappy annotation (I have seen some that don't give any personnel, and some that don't give no dates etc). Yet they have an interesting catalogue.
And for Hampton: there's a very good one with a similar band in the Jazz in Paris series (called "Exodus"), featuring George Coleman and Richard Williams, among others.
Cannonball: yes, I'd love that, too! A complete Emarcy would maybe bring the biggest surprise to the largest number of fans, while a Capitol thing would label-wise be the most probable (the late Capitol stuff, I'd say, because we got all safe one - which is surely just around the corner - from the Riverside/Jazzland/Capitol records). Then, it would be Fantasy's business to put out a box of the complete Riverside recordings. Yet, they don't usually include much unissued live material in their box-sets, and I'd LOVE to have some more from the San Francisco or the Japanese dates!
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I will pick up the Jack Johnson box - I love those Sony Miles boxes anyway, and would not want to miss one of'em! Never heard the Jack Johnson album, though, waiting for the box to come. Yet I like the post-Bitches Brew stuff better every time I listen to it. Got all those live 2CDs - a pity they decided not to bring out more stuff from those dates (the first Fillmore - wow! I'd love to have all those complete sets! And of course, Live-Evil, my favorite Miles of that period - maybe the latest Miles album to really belong to my personal top 5 or top 10 Miles albums.)
Then the 63/64 stuff: Hell! There's some real GREAT playing on those concerts! The double CD of My Funny Valentine/Four & More was one of my first Miles records, and I still LOVE it! Not only because of the obviously great rhythm section, BUT because of George Coleman, too! I dig his playing on the records he made with Miles very very much! He is so fast, always accurate, clean execution, full of ideas, with a beautiful (Trane-influenced? So what!) somewhat veiled sound... And on the liners of the CD, they say the quintet performed tunes not on record (I can only remember Autumn Leaves being listed, but there may be some more). To listen to that whole (hope they can dig up that stuff!) concert as it happened (though I like the sequencing of the original albums, too) will be a thrill!
Then the Antibes concert was a very good one, too (I guess we already have the complete set from there on CD). And the "Miles In Berlin" album - HELLYEAH!! Beautiful sound (the Philharmonie of Berlin), and great playing by all. That's one of the best albums of the MD-Shorter-Hancock-Carter-Williams-band, if you ask me!
Hope they dig up some more tunes from the Berlin concert!
Never heard the stuff with Sam Rivers, but I'm waiting eagerly for it!
And the early studio stuff with Coleman - I only heard those recordings once or twice, several years ago, but I don't remember them as being bad (well, not BAAAD either, I guess), but if only for the possibility to hear Miles with some unlikely musicians (Frank Butler), they should be pretty interesting.
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here is a link to a lengthy article for all those who read german:
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/kultur/artikel/889/17872/
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You see, sometimes even in terms of jazz, it's could to be young... I have not yet picked up Thinking of Home, neither The Flip (saw the LP used a couple of times), and even if I will have them, I've got to wait for Another Workout until my official Mobley holdings will be complete...
The Leftbank stuff was issued on Freshsound, a 2CD set, I only gave it a very quick spin, sound quality is terrible, can't remember the music (was in a hurry that day, and the next time I came to the store, they didn't have it anymore).
If I remember right, it does not have Chambers on bass (as he had died - Jan. 1969 - sometime before, or stopped performing). Seems this has been a terrible period for Kelly (who seems to have been very close to P.C.) who died himself not much later (April 1971).
I cannot access the Freshsound site right now to get more information on this. Try later!
ubu