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Thx etherbored! I'd be interested to know about the steps in the whole manufacturing process, as I said above. And wherein the margins lie, i.e. how can the purely technical side of production interfere with sonics? That example about poor T-Rex Jr. fans without volume buttons on their equipment might be an indication indeed. But then: why don't labels or the engineers they hire hand over protected files that can't be edited and come in the correct format?

Me too, but I don't like that abbreviation ... prince Harry might differ though Haven't caught her live yet, but I surely hope to do so eventually (same for PatKop whom I just missed - simply no time right now).

Thanks a lot, Jim! I'll look into some of these when I have more time at my hands! And I will try to get hold of the Road Sessions for sure! Whatever ducal dance session I've heard of the 50s and 60s was always a pleasure to hear!

Please do, I'd be interested! (Unless someone who does know the process and has inside knowledge about how majors handle this jumps in here, of course!) No, at least not in latin letters ... there are Japanese liner notes too, so I have no clue what it all says in there or on the OBI. "Manufactured in the E.U." is the only bit I can read on the OBIs, except for some dates, a catalogue number, a 24bit logo, price in yen ...

Really, people posting here should be forced to listen to all that stuff!

Don't! Who cares, the discussion was very interesting! And we don't get all that many of those lately ... Not in my book, never been very fond of these. But I guess I have to dig them up and listen again ... as for J.J. I much prefer his Blue Note sessions or the one with Sonny Stitt and John Lewis on Prestige (now that LP would never be underrated because it opens with the glorious Stitt on tenor w/Bud Powell sessions - but the second half yeah, I guess that might be somewhat underrated). Never been that much of a Winding fan, and for Bennie Green, I'm afraid those tracks haven't left a lasting impression (while later albums did, most notably "Soul Stirrin'" of course, which was the first I ever heard of his).

another obit: http://www.sfchronicle.com/news/texas/article/Jazz-funk-pioneer-Joe-Sample-dies-at-75-5753599.php

CDs 5 and 6 now spinning. Those latter PJ albums are really good ! Yup, they even make "Hey Jude" sound like ... not 200% but only about 198% awkward True, true, though I think the Reprise box has more interesting surprises on it than the Capitol box. Not that I'd part with that one, you understand! gregmo Yes, I'm all with you! But the Capitol has those lovely trio sessions! When I first got the box, small group Ellington to me was limited to "Back to Back" -- and trio Ellington to "Money Jungle" ... obviously none of his other trio dates is quite up there, so young me didn't really *get* those Capitol trios, but by now, I'm really fond ot 'em (same goes, I guess, for "Live at the Whitney" -- I think some enthusiast comment by Mr. Sangrey led me to check those out with newly adjusted ears ...) Just finished discs 1 and 2 of the other Mosaic I just got (the Clooney was really just a filler to make a bit more sense wrt to shipping costs):

sounds like a Paul Simon cover album ...

Yeah, I guess he was a few steps further than most of us (goes for the jacket, too!):

I know ... but Nimbus might be. So yeah, a used copy is the better idea for sure.

So Ellington was on the moon, too?

Sorry, my bad - it's MusicMasters, this one: and this is the currently in print (or CD-R on demand, I'd love to know, if it's CD proper I'd buy it in a second!) one: http://www.amazon.com/Great-Concerts-Chicago-Duke-Ellington/dp/B002BZOVHU/

Okay, if they have morons at pressing plants that make technical mistakes, that is indeed an explanation. And as we know, some majors have stopped any quality control decades ago, so yes, that's indeed a good point! But on the other hand, so far I was under the assumption that pressing plants would get *something* that they just execute (i.e. I send my PDF to the printer and tell them how to print it - and if they don't do it that way, I don't pay unless they get it right - and to not get it right, they need be morons indeed). But I have no idea what steps in the manufacturing might actually only be done at a pressing plant (or what the margin of possible intererence is), as I really have no idea how a CD, step by step, is produced.

Those are what I have (Red Baron). They sound good, as do the prior LP issues. Thanks! I'll see if I can get them for okay prices - seems offers online are a mess (confusing Vols 1 and 2 and the Collectables and those Sony/Red Baron ones). But I'll have to try, at least, since I really want to hear those! Only have some copies of LaserLight releases. There's also a 2CD set "The Great Chicago Concerts", with Django sitting in .... this set is out again on Nimbus, but with Nimbus you might get CD-Rs, so I don't feel like ordering ...

I still can't imagine different handling of things in the pressing plant accounts for different sound! And thanks for the info, Lon - those two go onto my shopping list, then, I guess .... I really love those recordings! Any other of the Carmen McRae albums in the series that you (or anyone else) can recommend?

I could *never* figure out how to copy one of those ... but gladly some of those Blue Notes I bought as copycraps have by now been reissued again in Japan. Still, a few remain that I'd love to replace as well, but those OOP Conns aren't exactly cheap (and they might indeed be copycrap again). Would still love to replace "Tex Book Tenor" and "Like Someone In Love" with proper CDs eventually ("The Flip" is out in Japan as well, but I've not re-bought it yet, already did re-buy "Of Love and Peace" and "Mother Ship").

Other question: what about those live discs released by an unknown-to-me outfit by name of Squatty Roo? This one looks tempting:

Question: what's the best way to acquire the Road Band albums? CD preferrably ... I see some 1990 Sony ones listed?

That's the one by Monk with Art Bureikizu, yes? I assume the Anniversary digipack (the brown bag one) was in stereo?

Yeah, thanks soulpope! However, this begs another question, since the pressing plant is handed material (glass masters or whatever) from which they go. I'd never have supposed the actual manufacturing part of a CD to make a big difference (okay, there are a pair of different ways to "finish" the product, you get rough edges or not ...), but if it's about harshness and spatiousness - that would again account for different masters, I'd assume? As this is just a discussion - mind me, I don't doubt any of it - but not an account of actual comparison, the question to me still is open. I guess I might eventually get one of the Japanese Connor discs of which I've just bought a Euro edition ... but I don't plan on buying any of these in the next weeks. WPCR-27901 + WPCR-27902 That's the one I have (the red digipack with all the music on one disc) - great stuff! I wonder if any of the others reaches similar heights? Interestingly this platter - IMO (one of) her best - didn`t make it to this series (last time reissued in Japan 2008)..... That, too .... got the "domestic" version used a while ago - definitely one of her best! How would it be presented in Japan, three volumes? and the John Lewis ones, especially: Those are of course not "late" Lewis ... but yeah, they're very good! Of "Wonderful World" I have an old "domestic" edition and again feel absolutely no need to re-buy (at least not as long as there's so much on this list that I want to check out). Good to see these recent reissue also has the bonus tracks though! "Meditations and Excursions" is one I've got in the european version, too (also "The Golden Stryker" and "Essence" and "Jazz Abstractions", and plenty of early Bags), it's indeed gorgeous!

discs 1 and 2 last night - good! And Gavin's liners as usual are a treat, too! now back to the Crusaders, made it to disc 3 yesterday, so it's discs 4-6 now.

Yeah, I thought they might be good. Same for those couple of Moodys! Also, it's kind of funny to see those albums that were out when I first started listening to jazz being canonized this way (speaking of Turner, Garrett, Chestnut, Carter ... I've got quite a few of those Garrett albums, but hardly any of the others, never really warmed to Garrett, but enjoy Turner quite some ... interesting that they don't include Joshua Redman who made his early ones for Warner as well - did he retain rights or transfer them to Nonesuch? But then Nonesuch is part of Warner, too, isn't it? Or did that change with all the mega M & A's of late?)

The list was there, next to the #2 additions ... I just copy pasted it - via google translate which accounts for some pretty funny titles here and there - and then spent ten minutes cleaning up the formatting (having the catalogue # at the beginning - guess google moved them around in a few dozen cases, not sure why). The list is huge ... and seing the first batches come from 2012 - are these all still available? I put this list together for stuff I want to look up (not that I want so many Herbie Mann albums, but a few more would be welcome): Nat Adderley - Autobiography Herbie Mann - Right Now/Bossa Nova Herbie Mann - Do the Bossa Nova with Herbie Mann Roland Hanna - Easy to Love Jack Wilson - The Two Sides of Jack Wilson Steve Marcus - Tomorrow Never Knows George Wallington - Knight Music Nat Adderley - Live at Memory Lane Phil Woods - European rhythm machine and Phil Woods of Frankfurt Herbie Mann - Live at Newport Shorty Rogers - The Swinging Mr. Rogers Ron Carter - Uptown Conversation Attila Zoller - Gypsy Cry Gary Burton - Good Vibes Gary Burton - Alone at Last Hubert Laws - Law's Cause Philly Joe Jones & Elvin Jones - Together! Roland Hanna - Destry Rides Again Jack Wilson - Featuring Roy Ayers Morris Nanton Trio - Roberta Herbie Mann - Returning to the Village Gate Herbie Mann - Monday Night at the Village Gate Herbie Mann - Hold On, I'm Comin' Billy Taylor - One for Fun Shirley Scott - Soul Song Charlie Mariano - Mirror Mirror Mirror Junior Mance - With A Lotta Help From My Friends Les McCann - Comment Count Basie - This Time By Basie! Philly Joe Jones - Philly Joe's Beat ElviN Jones - Midnight Walk Carmen McRae - For Once in My Life Shorty Rogers - Way Up There Barney Kessel - Bossa Nova Herbie Mann - Live at the Whiskey a Go Go Hubert Laws - The Laws of Jazz Buster Smith - The Legendary Buster Smith Junior Mance & David Newman - Live At The Top King Curtis & Champion Jack Dupree - Blues at Montreux Leo Wright - Suddenly the Blues Les McCann - Match Les Steve Marcus - Rock and Earl (Vortex) > Count Back Band ???? Freddie Hubbard - New Blues Pressure Sylvia Sims - Sylvia Sims Sings John Lewis & Albert Mangelsdorff - Animal Dance Barney Kessel - Breakfast at Tiffany's Luiz Bonfa - Amor Jay McShann - The Last Of The Blue Devils George Wein - Newport All Stars George Wein - Wein, Women & Songs Billy Taylor - Touch Jess Stacy - A Tribute to Benny Goodman Charles Bell - Another Dimension Junior Mance - I Believe To My Soul Yusef Lateef - Sweet 16 Steve Marcus - The Lord's Prayer Shirley Scott & The Soul Saxes Leo Wright - Soul Talk Vi Redd - Lady Soul Jimmy Owens/Kenny Barron - You Had Better Listen Shorty Rogers - Martians Come Back Hubert Laws - Flute By Laws Herbie Mann - The Family of Mann Herbie Mann - Impressions of the Middle East Herbie Mann - Windows Open Count Basie - Pop Goes the Basie Al Hibbler - After The Lights Go Down Low Chico Hamilton - Gongs East Dave Brubeck - Brother, The Great Spirit Made Us All John Lewis & Svend Asmussen - European Encounters Dave Pell - Jazz & Romantic Places Mary Lou Williams & Barbara Carroll - Ladies Of Jazz Barney Kessel - Contemporary Latin Rhythms Jay McShann - Big Apple Bash Jack McDuff - Do It Now Sonny Sharrock - Black Woman Newport Jazz Festival All Stars Hubert Laws - Wild Flower Herbie Mann - Latin Fever Herbie Mann - Memphis-to-step Clarke-Boland Big Band - Handle with Care Dizzy Gillespie - One Night In Washington Ted Carson - Quick Sand Ira Sullivan - Horizons Herbie Mann - The Common Ground Herbie Mann - My Kinda Groove Herbie Mann - Standing Ovation at Newport Herbie Mann & Tamiko Jones - Man and Woman Morris Nanton Trio - Flower Drum Song Paul Smith Trio - Jazz-by-Sea Shirley Scott - Something Mel Torme at The Red Hill Ruth Brown - Late Date with Ruth Brown Rosemary Cloney - Love Chris Connor - He Loves Me, He Loves Me Not Shorty Rogers - Bossa Nova Sony Fortune - Serengeti-Minstrel Various - Saxes Inc Various - Trombones Inc Bud Powell - Inner Fires Herbie Mann - New Mann at Newport Herbie Mann - Wailing Dervish ??? Herbie Mann - One Mann Flute Herbie Mann - The Inspiration I Feel Jeremy Steig - Jeremy & The Satyrs Earl Coleman featuring Billy Taylor - Love Songs Chris Connor - Ballads Of The Sad Cafe Jo Stafford - Getting Sentimental Over Tommy Dorsey Rosemary Clooney - Thanks for Nothing Don Cherry - Hear & Now Shorty Rogers - Clickin' with Clax Sonny Fortune - Infinity Is Eddie Harris - Live at Newport Joe Farrell - Night Dancing Steve Grossman - Perspective Herbie Mann - The Roar of the Greasepaint, The Smell of the Crowd Herbie Mann - Brazilian Once Again Joe Bushukin in Concert - Town Hall Jon Hendricks - I Dedicated to the Bossa Novaa (Salud Joao Gilberto) Jimmy Witherspoon - Hey Mrs. Jones Shorty Rogers - Jazz Waltz (around as Euro version, too!) Herbie Mann - Today Herbie Mann - The Beat Goes On Herbie Mann - Stone Flute Kevin Eubanks - Art Experience Sony Fortune - With Sound Reason Eddie Harris - E.H. in the U.K. Les McCann - Live At Montreux Don Pullen - Montreux Concert Mingus Dynasty - Live At Montreux Wilbur de Paris - That's A Plenty Wilbur de Paris - At Symphony Hall Chris Connor - Free Spirigs Chris Connor - Misty Milt Jackson - Be Bop Milt Jackson - Reverence and Compassion Milt Jackson - Prophet Speaks Mark Turner - In This World Mark Turner - Mark Turner James Moody - Young at Heart Eddie Harris - Come On Down Eddie Harris - Free Speech Yusef Lateef - Hush 'n' Thunder Herbie Mann - String Album Shorty Rogers - The Forth Dimension in Sound Chris Connor - I Miss You So Lavern Baker/Chris Connor/Herbie Mann/Bobby Short - No Strings Milt Jackson - Burnin 'In The Woodhouse Milt Jackson - I Dedicated to Sa Cordova Bella ~ diva us ??? Milt Jackson - Explosive! James Moody and Mark Turner - Warner Jams VOL.2 James Moody - Moody Plays Mancini Yusef Lateef - Doctor Is In ... And Out Herbie Mann - Mississippi Gambler Herbie Mann - Surprise Wilbur de Paris - On The Riviera Jimmy Scott - Dream Jimmy Scott - Heaven Chris Connor & Maynard Ferguson - Double Exposure I skipped all Carmen McRae, not sure why ... any hidden gems amongst her Atlantic/Warner albums?