Well, to be honest, I don't fully understand the passage in Jazz's original post. Taken separetely, the statements seem to make good sense, but together, they don't seem to really connect. Either that, or I just don't get the nut/flower thing. ...the nut has become less than the flower. I take it that's a bad thing? Well, you can actually eat a nut and get some sustinance from it, but a flower, while pretty to look at (showing off), doesn't feed you. That's one possible interpretation. But then later, we are warned against "trying to hasten the bloom of the flower.". So now the flower is, what, that which is the true purpose of one's training, the unforced action, the fullness of mature expression? I certainly see a lot of truth in that statement; we all want to rush to the conclusion. As consumers, we want people who are good now, not 10 years from now. That's a slightly different problem than being unclear about one's intention (although they are certainly connected), which is what I feel most of this passage is about, as well as the final paragraph of your second post, Jazz.