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Alcoholic DrinkerBiddle http://www.drinkerbiddle.com/ The Cat and The Fiddle

George Thoroughgood The Modern Jazz Quartet Milli Vanilli

Old Yeller Yellow Magic Orchestra Hello Kitty

And lest we be accused of Failure To Recognize: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8fN_Qkr09U

Carnival organ, raspy vocals, tight harmonies, endless upbeats...I'm not sure it would stop even if you died.

Kim Deal Kelly Deal Bill Deal & The Rhondels

Female Body Inspector (FBI) G-Man Feds

I got this one in a mini-LP format from Red Trumpet back when they was still thriving. It's Japanese and dated 1997.

I'm just sayin'...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js-K2AbBrF4

Sid Page, no?

Marjorie Lord Rusty Hamer http://www.lutheransonline.com/servlet/lo_ProcServ/dbpage=page&GID=20100595095835793401111555&PG=20100605818036801101111555 Angela Cartwright

Aul Hedd then. Gotta love that!

Aul Hedd? Are they all head charts?

Wait until you realize how much you don't miss the 00s...

On what date should we expect Nicholas Payton? I'm at least 50% serious, btw...

Would there be any objections to blocking the dating sites? At least the ones that appeal to "specific appetites" rather than the general urge for companionship?

He'd not be the first to do it that way...here's hoping that the survivors have, or gain, an understanding.

And why can't you understand the well-attested-to fact from which all this stems -- that many of Q's peers, who certainly were far from ignorant of the ins and out of the music business, regarded the particular behavior we were talking abut originally with special disgust ... and did so at the time Q was engaging in it. Yes, perhaps it all seems rather quaint in the light of later developments in the business, but that was the Original Historical Context. Yeah, I get it - peers were not used to by being jacked around this much by other peers. That special privilege was reserved for The Man (whoever it might have been). And Quincy crossed the line by becoming The Man himself. I get it. What I also get is that a lot of people would just as soon not become The Man as they would do something about it. And then bitch about somebody who does. Well, make up your mind. Either you have The Man or you don't. If you do, learn how to deal. And if you don't...well, there is no you don't. But that seems to not have sunk in for some. We can bring ethnic prejudices into it, but let's not. We can bring occupational stereotypes into it, but let's not. We can bring conscious and unconscious programmed economic behavioral protocols into it, but let's not. Bottom line - if Quincy Jones would have been some street-smart no talent hustler who ganstered his way to the top and was disliked by his peers (especially the ones whoi didn't "make it" nearly as much), we'd be all "yeah, jesus, what an fucking asshole...NEXT." But when Quincy Jones - Talented Street-Smart Hustler, A Budding Artist for crissakes - does it, everybody goes all Herbert Morrison and shit, like it's some kind of SPECIAL kind of bad and wrong for THAT kind of person to do it, and anyway, he got used his looks - The Proper Negro Look, I guess... - to get over. Like it's a sin to do that. I only wish I could do that... Bullshit. Yes, I get it.

That's pretty much what I'm saying, albeit more verbosely.

And oh, btw - any Objective Cultural Historian who leaves the Quincy Jones records of the 1970s out of the Cultural History is just flat-out getting it wrong. I don't care what you thought or think of them, or how they did or didn't get made, that shit was there, and big time. Sorry, Jazz Fans Of Pure Spirit.

Now see, here's where your angst about Quincy Jones gets in the way of cold reality. I seriously doubt that any of the "established" names Quivered In Fear at what might happen if they were "unavailable". Not that they Jumped For Joy either. But people don't get "there" without knowing which gigs to take, not out of fear, but just because it's Good Business to be there.The be-all and end-all of it business-wise was for everybody to get their egos stroked and their profiles heightened. Quincy got to "show respect and provide a forum" and the artists involved got to "be involved in a Quincy Jones project". Ray Charles? Why, he's just helping his old buddy out,ya' know, and oh yeah, the residuals from the Pepsi gig have run out. Chakka Kahn's been doing cameos for god knows how long, when did she last have a hit? But she's still A Name That Everybody Knows And Loves. Why? Because That Name is still out there. Miles? Hey, Miles just loved being "there" to watch (and to be watched while watching). Take 6? Hey - EVERYBODY digs Take 6, and they still need more exposure. Good for Quincy for giving to them back then, and good for them for taking it. We could go on, but the point is - at the level we're talking about, People With Power need - and want - People With Even More Power, and vice-versa. The snake swallows its tail, and never runs out of tail to swallow. Why? This, my friend, is the nature of humanity, and definitely that of The Music Industry. And I've still not had it explained to me why Quincy Jones getting all this power for itself is so much horribly worse than anybody else getting power for themselves.

Yeah, Moms, people want Art but not Business. Good luck on that one. Like all those records press themselves, and all those radio stations just play what they play because the records spin themselves and the transmitters come on and beam those signals because it's The Right Thing To Do. Right.

By that point in Q's career, given his power in the industry, I would think that the primary motive for those artists who participated was not money but fear -- that is, they feared that if they failed to stroke Q's ego, his likely resulting disfavor could hurt them. Eat a shit sandwich today or eat a really big shit sandwich down the road. Business as it should be? Geez, you're even more paranoid about Quincy Jones than Chris... Even if this is true (and I really think it's absurd to think that Chakka Khan or Sarah Vaughan or Miles Davis were afraid that Quincy Jones could RUIN THEIR CAREERS!!!!!) - this is the way any industry works, and the fact that I can't think of any industry and/or industry power where this is not the case strongly suggests that it's kind of "the nature of the beast" , those seeking power stroke those who have it, yeah, that's pretty much the way industry works, and get over it people, either play it or leave it alone, but quit whining about power doing what power do unless you're willing to confront power on its own turf and its own terms and knock them off their block, the question remains - in a world where industry and power exist as they do and do what they do how they do it, why is it so wrong that Quincy Jones became part of that industry and got some of that power? Is it because he was A Talented Person and Talented People aren't supposed to do what Power do to get what Power have? Yeah, people not Knowing Their Place and taking Power by whatever means present themselves. Of such things are Gangsters born, and if you don't have an at-least ambivalent respect for Gangsters in principle, then you're either a liar or a Volunteered Slave. People use each other for non-altruistic ends. Every damn day. If you're smart, you get something for yourself out of the deal. If you're not smart, hey - learn. If you can find a better world, let me know. Good luck.