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I know enough (such as it is) to know that a lot of this happens from having starting points and landing points and setting up you motion from one to the other on the bottom and the top and then moving everything in between in ways that move and land more or less at once (or not!) and in so doing, you create all sorts of cool shit (LOL!!!). Getting from Point A to Point B with everything in between being both at the same time. But there's so much of that in Puerling's work, so much finely detailed architecture, and so much interest (and so many really "unusual" landing points...), I mean, it takes a mind of the highest order to keep that much moving detail in place, freely wandering but also completely ordered from start to finish. Some of that can be taught, you can always reverse-engineer damn near anything, but the mind that does it to begin with is a very fine mind indeed, a much more evolved mind than the one who merely learns "how it's done" and then replicates it. Not just talking about music, either. And yeah, there are serious implications to this relative to the unstoppable global digital paradigm that are not inherently "good" or "bad", just...worth noting every damn waking moment (and many sleeping oens also).

Listening to it on a EuroMusiPorn CD that couples it with Sortie, but I have a much stronger preference for this one, at least tonight. Besides, i like how this record on this label makes for only one degree of separation between between Han Bennink and Miss Pony Tail.

That's the kind of thing that I think probably contributed a lot to Brian Wilson's breakdown )as far as a strictly musical obsession contributed to it...), you can hear him trying SO hard to get that m8ltiple-layers...infinity of sound, and lord knows, he came real, REAL close more than once. But he had to dig deeper into his resources than his resources at the time could support. He was just going off of want and instinct. But Gene Puerling, Gene Puerling had the skills, the knowledge, the scientific insight into not just how it could go if only he could find it, but how to get to it in the first place. There's no subsititute for inspiration, but once you have that, there's no substitute for skill, of knowledge, of science. The best of anything/everything in life is going to have both. That's accomplishment, everything else is aspiration. Speaking of Brian Wilson, this is not a Brian Wilson song, but, lord, imagine it on Friends, on the other side of the LP from "Busy Doin' Nothing"... It's a world!

Yeah, that one is pretty straightforward, sounds like a VI 7 Sus chord, if i was faking a solo over it, that's what I'd guess, and I think I'd be ok. But how about that pivot out of the bridge, I hear where it begins and where it lands, but wtf is it doing in between, before they get to the VI again? That's some mindfuck shit for sure.

and you know, fuck that shit. Ain't nobody needing that except them, so please let's hope they do like Sonny boy said and keep it to yoursel. OTOH, hey: Bonnie Herman on that verse...soulful like a mo, the kind of thing that shows what's in there, but only, ONLY, on her terms.

The inner workings of harmony (and movements of inner voices) are not something that everybody naturally gravitates to, nor is it something that's really a part of any "popular" music of the Post-WWII era...people hear stacked triads these days and think it's "harmony", and, well, it is. But it's just basic shit, no matter how pretty it sounds or how pumped up in the mix it is. Like anything else, there's a lot more to it than that. All these a capella groups that are the rage now, meh, basic shit just sung really well. Take 6 otoh, yeah, they got thier shit together. And they freely admit that Gene Puerling is their guru. You can tell who knows and who doesn't. Basic is in no way bad, mind you, basic can be beautiful, and sometimes basic is best. But basic is not all there is that can be had or done.

Yeah, it's only "sugar" on the surface. The actual things that are happening are more like heroin, or, maybe, Quaaludes. Ain't no carb rush on that one, trust me. That harmony - which is totally the object of this game - is just getting stretched out in ALL kinds of directions in ALL kinds of ways...if you heard it played on instruments, you would complain that it's too abstract to enjoy, not that it's too sweet to tolerate! But put them sweet White Jingle Singer voices to it and a-HA! they got you fooled! Narcotics are a tricky breed. First you vomit, then you zone.

a MOFO!

"Abstract" indeed. Like a MO!

and apparently not stop there...

Yeah, that's the thing about SU - Puerling DOES have abstract moments (more than moments, but I know what you mean). But I got mind-fucked by only hearing there Mel Torme meets Johnny Mann Singers Jingles On Bad Speed records in the NTSU environment of the day) and was totally repelled from listening at all. That was one of the more egregious errors in my musical "journey" (hate that word), and you know, I've always loved hi-Los, early stuff especially. I should have known better. So...my bad. But this guy...yeah, he had intense skills, no matter what use to which he put them. and ballads/moods that kind of thing...I am totally down with that. Totally. Just finished with the Magical Voices box, going to do a thread in the next few days, album-by-album, year-by-year, will be effusive in both love and disdain as called for , book your table now, we're opening to Phase 2 levels any day now! Back in the day, I loved Abbey Lincoln and so did NOT hear or otherwise get Bonnie Herman in any way. Again, my bad.

I've had that same though myself, but this kind of thing would never fly there: Gerry needed ground at all times, he was one of those guys who would not ever let go, By the time it's over, this shit lets all kinds of go.

As for defecation, you can believe me when I tell you that when the Astrodome opened, everything was open, just open. Stalls did not exist, at least in the men's facilities. It was not a outlier in that regard, either.

Sorta, only longer, less artful, and with the hole in the middle.

I was just a kid then...who knows? Probably. What's interesting is that all this everybody-whip-it-out-and-let-it-rip stuff was before integration. I recall a lot of, uh...movement to respect "personal privacy needs" once mass urination became a mixed-race spectacle. That's something else they don't teach you in history books.

Guys, I'm talking not even troughs, not even elevated off the ground. I'm talking fabricated metal pans, like shower pans, only urinal length. Right on the freaking ground, maybe/probably set in concrete, now that I think of it, but not in any way elevated off the ground, and with no side guards other than like, a 3" rim around it.

Paula?

I've been in places where you literally pissed in a pan. An elongated fabricated metal pan on the ground that had a hole that went into some kind of drainage pipe. This was in the middle 1960s where I guess guys didn't mind getting together and pissing in a hole between innings or quarters or whatever. For an 8 year old, that was a weird scene, but hey, men and their pissing, such a rich heritage upon which to draw!

Now might be a good time to reflect on the evolution of men's urinary disposal systems in sports stadiums big and small over the last century?

Where are those people?

Listened to this one today, in fact, and it's not a big band, it's Kellaway's Cello Quartet. And it's a damn good record to my ears today, in spite of Kellaway being consistently quirky and only sometimes not annoying about it. Gene Puerling would not be denied! and c'mon, holy hell what is tHIS!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?

that's one of the damnedest things I've ever heard.

Well yeah, there's always that!!! But i will say this - who want unions destroyed? Predators. and who wants police disbanded? Predators. and who just wants shit to be right, to work the way it's supposed to work? Everybody else. Every-fucking-body else. People, study your history - OUR history. Know how we got here. Not the cheap emo slogans that come from all sides today, the reality of just who is willing to do what to whom and then look the other way about it. Life is supposed to be sacred, but damn is it cheap. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florence_Reece

Indeed there are. If you will point out such examples and would like to call them into question, I'll be happy to look at them on a case-by-case basis. Keep in mind that this is an international forum, so different countries have different laws. It's proven both impossible and ill-advised to moderate discussions of such items based on laws that do not apply to the global membership. My objection to so much of that shit is neither legal nor remunerative, it's just that, what, you want to pay money for something you could just as easily get for free? Uh, yeah. fuck that idea. And fuck disbanding the police. In both cases, severe reform and reimagining are needed, but in both cases, people need protections, and that's where they should be able to get them in an honest and good-faith manner. Because who's gonna make sure you don't get screwed, your employer? You local thug? Who, exactly. Or is there no legitimate collective, it's just nobody looks after nobody but themselves and do until others before they do unto you? Uh, yeah. fuck that idea.