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At best, "would you like to find out?" in the context it occurred constitutes an unintended but unilaterally perceived threat. Absent any verbal inflection, that assumption is at best incomplete. There is no rational reason to assume that it was an actual, viable threat. We're finding out all over America right now how foolish it is to empower "perceived" threats that have no further basis in facts, data, or context. So ask yourself - what happens when individuals cede their ability to discern and consider over to their most base gut reaction towards just assuming the worst, and that the worst is going to happen to them? We're already to the point where I hear people claiming, in full seriousness, that "it DOESN'T MATTER what you meant, it's how I took it". Yeah, what happens when people stop thinking altogether and just assume that everything is all about how they feel at the moment of initial impulse? What kind of civilization does that devolve into? Would you like to find out?

once again, pay attention, please. No it's not "all" so very un-Paul like. It was all very Paul-like up to the post-deleting part. There were no threats of personal harm. None, zero, zilch, nada.

Now what's this about we all despise personal attacks?

And I've never - never - know Paul to delete anything that was said in his most contentious moments. That is, historically, very UN-Paul-like. And you don't get it that some people have a higher threshold of what feels "threatening" than do others? If the pupose of this forum is to learn, that's something else to learn.

Ok, I wondered about saying that. But early on, people were worried about him because of his age, and it's not unreasonable to worry about an older guy's mental health as well as his physical health. And yeah, I worry about him too. Irrational fearfulness is one of those things you watch for as people age. Not unlike guns, a sad but true reality.

So if he is checking in invisibly, here's a sorry: Hey Paul, sorry if I freaked you out so badly that you felt that I was gonna come after you in person. That was not my intent. It's a long way from Texas to where you live, and I got waaaaaaaayyyyy too much other shit to do have even the slightest interest or inclination in doing anything even remotely like what it appears you got afraid of. Again. sorry!

If you're saying that you sent him a PM and he responded, then either he got an email notification, or else he's checking in invisibly (which is an option).

That'll only work if he has his PM settings set to send him an email notification.

Hell, I have his personal email, he has mine. I've not heard from him, nor him from me. Again - this is the first I've heard that he felt "threatened", literally threatened. I really have to wonder now if maybe he's getting to a mental state where delusions start taking root. God, I hope now. If I had know that (and if there's nothing to know, so much the better), I'd not have engaged him at all. As it is, I thought we were just playing Nolan Ryan again. He's certainly welcome back here at any time, but all he has to do is show up when he wants to and start posting again. That'll work just fine.

I'd like to see him come back as well, but I'll be damned if I'm going to apologize for something I did not do, nor was approached about directly. This thing about he thought I was "threatening" him, I never heard that from him, ever, not once. Nor did anybody else reach out and say, dude, Secor's freaking out about the Lee Dorsey thing, or whatever it was that pushed him over the edge. I mean, if I scare people that much that they're afraid to come straight about clarification...I find that more than just a little absurd. And oh yeah, I find being labeled a "certain type" of American without any further explanation or justification deeply offensive. Offensive, but not threatening.

How the hell did I threaten him? I made the comment about that band probably not having guns or knives, and made it in the context of their political posturing. Joe then said something like that's a very American thing to say, and then Paul - post now deleted - said well, a "certain type" of American anyway. That's a push, so he got pushback. I mean, what "certain type" of American was he saying that I was? AAnd based on what? The man does not know me other than online. Anybody who thinks that they know anybody strictly from online interactions is a damn fool. So then I gave out with a pretty standard spiel about guns/gun ownership/the need for still-protection/and you know, this band is talking the talk but I doubt they're walking the walk. Larry got it, said so, and then Paul got really pissy and said something about moderators sticking together, eh? which is just really dumb. I mean, wow, tow people seeing a certain thing the same way, they MUST be in cahoots? So yeah, more pushing and pushing back, he kept trying to go with this "certain type of American" angle, which I found to be pretty offensive myself to be honest. Not threatening, just rank bullshit. So hey. And then, I said, " Now - am I myself armed? Maybe yes, maybe not. Do you want to find out? " That's a rhetorical question that simply means, it's none of your business, if you wnat't o find out, why? and if you don't, then step back. You'll never know, and since you DON'T know, and will NEVER know, stop it with these ludicrous "certain type of American" things, ok, chill out and grow up, Perhaps not every member here is equipped with the context and/or life experience to get that, and if was interpreted any other way, ok, sorry for that. But the question as asked in the context that it was asked still stands. And then he said something about judging musicians by the size of their arsenals, to which I responded with: I assumed that he would recognize the image of Lee Dorsey clowning with an old rusty pistol, both it and him are pretty "famous" in ways that surely Paul would know. It's an album cover, actually, and I know that Paul knows Lee Dorsey. So where does this bullshit about "threatening" Paul Secor come from? Look, Paul has had brouhahas here before. It's not like he's a Zen-like calmguy, then or now. I remember getting into it with him about Nolan Ryan, and no matter how many statistics and contexts were offered, he would not back down on his position that Nolan Ryan was just not THAT good. He's not one to default to de-escalate, let's put it that way. And until now, he seemed to accept that and enjoy it well enough to keep doing it. In this thread, he pushed, he got pushback (AND a free Lee Dorsey pic!) and then for whatever reason took his ball and go home. Too bad, but his choice all the way. I kept giving context, he kept on getting pissy and making it person about me and Larry (mostly me, but the idea that Larry and I were conspiring against him was just really, REALLY, dumb. As for the whole gun thing...it's a fact of life, now and historically. And as far as "resistance"...guns and resistance go hand in hand. I mentioned the Panthers as an example, and you can go to the other side today, what with the White Nationalists. Or hell, go back to 1776. Acknowledgement of a reality does not equate to an approval of it. And that Allison Miller clip is still lame as fuck, musically and rhetorically. I will say this, though - anybody who feels uncomfortable with the mere mention of guns in a political (or otehr context), I am sorry for you, because you are really NOT ready for modern life in all its facets. And I say that with a great deal of sadness, really. But oh well. Now, am I armed or not? Unless you come into my house uninvited, you'll never know. One way or the other. So let me now ask - who here will be attempting to come into my house uninvited? Let me know so I can feel threatened.

How many photos of Carla Bley exist from that time?

On CD: https://www.amazon.com/Dixieland-All-Stars/dp/B0000022DG/ref=olp_product_details?_encoding=UTF8&me= Who knew?

Paul got pretty riled up in the Boom Tic Boom - Glitter Wolf thread. Looks like he deleted his posts and went home, Hopefully he's not hurt or sick or anything.

Hey, fuck Jim Morrison.

And also... a fine little set indeed!

I appreciate anybody who works hard to do something. That's what systems are for! Tell me about that first bridge, though. It sounds all the world like she starts it a bar early and never really adjusts. But the band holds the form and it all comes out even at the end, That's just weird! Still...more work to be done on both of her instruments. I do like that tenor player, he sounds like if not for the changes, he'd go off someplace altogether different. But hey, play the gig, right?

I'll take you word on all of that. I had forgotten that he had actually lived under Nazi rule, though. I guess if you're going to have a baseline for thuggishness, that's about as base as it gets.

Ok, just what the hell is THIS I just found? Holy shit?!?!?! Promenade Records?!?!?!?!? apparently aka

And he was essentially mainlining (figure of speech) honey.

I never even heard him say that he was anti-Israel. Just anti- the current government''s leaders and policies If that alone qualifies you as anti-Semitic, then uh-oh, I myself might be becoming one. But I think not. No, I know not.

Nor mine. Yeah, he never discussed that on the board. When he was included in a Jazz Times piece about homosexuals in the jazz world and somebody here kinda trolled him about it, he shut it down with remarkable efficiency by asking the guy straight up - what are you asking and why are you asking it? End of story for that one.

A good, solid, almost definitive "yeah, ok, whatever".