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I find that hard to believe.

This is what Larry Coryell said in his autobiography about Grant Green. He said that George Benson told him this too when Larry was still in Texas. Do you think Baby Face Willette and Grant Green did any gigs together in New York when they made those albums? They play so well together, it seems like they had grown up playing with each other. I keep wanting to edit your post for spelling mistakes. But the system won't let me. I think your grammar is very good though.

Thanks for your info and passion Chewy. Your posting has really become so much more direct and clear.

Thank you Peter, that's great. Just wanted confirmation I was correct. I think Grant Green Jr. goes on to say that he thought the film was made to be used as a cinema short between movies. Wonder why it was never released in the 3 years since the interview. Perhaps it's being saved for a doco or something. Bet if it was from the sixties, it would have found a home on a Jazz dvd release by now. Thanks again.

Thank you.

Hi wondering if any forum members have a copy of this, and may be able to confirm whether in the Grant Green article, his son Grant Green jr. mentions a colour film made of his father performing from the early 70's. Shuggie Otis on the cover. Thanks in advance. Wax Poetics Issue 31 WAX POETICS Shuggie Otis, MF Doom, Grant Green, Patrick Adams, Slick Rick, Os Mutantes...

I got it for pence and kept it MG I'm glad you and AndyBleaden had this in your collections. Wish this was a whole session. With Grant playing like this with this band There is an interesting discussion going on at the Hoffman Forums about Iron City. My link

I just watched this a few nights ago. Thanks to this thread. Taylor is the only major figure of the sixties avant-garde whose music I have not listened too (a lot). It was a fascinating watch. I was unprepared for how camp he is. It's not something to expect in the context of the earnest Black music 'movement'. It seemed Taylor was connected to a contemporary scene I associate with the city to city 'art festival' culture. Something where I expect to see Phillip Glass, or (heaven forbid), Lou Reed trudging out their latest tired project. I doubt the consumers of these things would have the synapses to sit through a Cecil Taylor recital (honestly). Some might though.

Thanks for your honesty regarding this post. These kinds of opinions are good and thought provoking to read. Especially so from someone whose projects Black musicians/public thinkers have contributed/put their name too. Have you played with Herbie Hancock in the last 30 years

I don't see them in Australia

No. Mel is American.

Maybe more people hadn't heard it than I thought. Glad you like it. Don't post anything weird in the comments section

I am hoping Wolfgag's Vault has this. I sent an email. Hopefully I'll get a nice reply.

I thought Wolfgang's Vault might have had the source tapes too. But as you say, probably not. Its also been a few years since they started offering the Newport archives. The Green and Burrell tracks have been on cd compilations put out by Sonny Lester's LRC label. Also, the Italian 'l Giganti Del Jazz' series these titles originally appeared on, have (as recently as January this year), been rereleased/offered as digital downloads on itunes (and remastered as well ).

It appears the trumpet workshop from the same concert was filmed as well.

If the 'Travis Klein Amazon' post is correct, and he titled the blues on the album 'Iron City', it suggests the title 'Iron City March'? was kept in use by Grant Green for the unissued Verve Session. Placing the 'Iron City' recording to between 'His Majesty King Funk' and the unissued Verve, or thereabouts. So between May 1965 and August 1965. This would change the context from the previous attribution of 'Iron City' to 1967 or later. Grant Green and others Grant Green (g) and others NYC, August 5, 1965 65VK427 Iron City March Verve unissued 65VK428 Angel - 65VK429 Fat Judy - 65VK430 Samba De Orfeu - 65VK431 Chim Chim Cheree - Grant Green and others same personnel NYC, September 1, 1965 65VK458 Things Ain't What They Used To Be Verve unissued 65VK459 Moon Over All - 65VK460 I Can't Stop Loving You - 65VK461 High Heel Sneakers - 65VK462 Blues Train - 65VK463 Sunday, Monday Or Always - 65VK464 Fever - 65VK465 Dream - 65VK466 Uptown -

There is also the Green/Patton/Harold Vick/Hugh Walker Left Bank recording from 66?. I assume that tape must be unlistenable or deteriorated for it not to have been released.

No, I Think they are just referring to Lonnie Smith. There was a George Benson Quartet performance from this concert. ie,; 'connie smith' guitars. There is a killing live version of Ready and Able (from the Benson Cookbook lp) that circulates with the Green and Burrell tunes. As well as an Attila Zoler tune. The 'various other instruments', is probably referring to unidentified musicians who were part of the trumpet and guitar workshops. The original archivists possibly had limited info to reference (or hard to read handwritten notes). What I would like to know is - were the 4(?) tracks that circulated on the Italian boots the only music that was recorded/saved, or do/did the missing tapes contain other performances the bootleggers didn't use. For instance, anyone heard Kenny Burrell's Greensleeves from this concert. Are the missing tapes purely the edited highlights of the concert as it was produced for radio broadcast? Was the original broadcast a combination of the trumpet and guitar workshops or were separate broadcasts devoted to each show? It would be good to know from someone that heard the original broadcasts I remember when a question like this was raised about the 'Burrell, Kessell and Green' video, Magnificent Goldberg was able to confirm that only the one song was broadcast in the UK at the time.

NEWMAN! Or perhaps in this instance NEWMENNICO

Sorry. Wrong Forum. Don't know how to switch. Artist or Discography perhaps?

The Sideman Ornette. No trumpet on these ones http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtskM6x5CYc&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLB938BEF67BE9000C

Inspired by finding out new information about the Iron City session, I thought I might contribute something about another recording that was always a mystery to me. In the 1980's. there were a series of Italian 'grey area' releases, that often contained performances that I could not find in the standard discographies. My favourites were three live cuts by Grant Green, Kenny Burrell and George Benson. They appeared as part of a five set guitar anthology box , and were ubiquitous in the shops when I first started exploring Jazz guitar. Thanks to the internet (and google books), I found out they were all part of the same performance from the 1966 Newport Jazz festival on July 4 1966. Part of an afternoon concert broken up into two parts, a Jazz guitar workshop, and a Trumpet workshop. Most featured soloists were backed by the Billy Taylor trio. Except George Benson, who had his great early quartet with Lonnie Smith and Ronnie Cuber. Info from Billboard Magazine July 16 1966 My link I have uploaded the Grant Green and Kenny Burrell audio to Youtube, as they were not represented there. Here are the links; Hope anyone that enjoys Jazz guitar (with deep blues) will enjoy these performances, especially if you have never heard them. Incidentally, here is some more info regarding the source of these tapes. It seems they were part of the Library of Congress collection, but the performances heard here have seemingly disappeared. My link Shelf no. RGA 0104--0105 (RWD 6104 B2, 6105 B2) Title Newport Jazz Festival, July 4, 1966, morning concert, set 1 : Guitar workshop Date Event : 07/04/1966 Publication Status Unpublished Type Music Medium Recording Performer(s) Charlie Byrd, Kenny Burrell, Grant Green, Attila Zoller, George Benson, Connie Smith, guitars; Ross Tompkins, Billy Taylor, George Wein, pianos; Gene Taylor, bass; Billy Kay, Mike Deluca, drums; Lonnie Liston Smith, organ and various other instruments. Recording Note Recorded at the Newport Jazz Festival, Freebody Park, Newport, Rhode Island on Sunday evening, July 4, 1966. The first of two bibliographical records for this concert. Quality Distortion on original tape. Summary Shows different impressions of how instruments are used. Note There are quite a few tapes missing from this year's festival. Work(s) House of the rising sun. Performed by Charlie Byrd, guitarist. Greensleeves. Performed by Kenny Burrell, guitarist. Unidentified blues. Performed by Grant Green, guitarist. Incomplete version; Complete version on tape (RWD 6105 B) which is missing from this collection. Cantalope woman. Performed by Grant Green, guitarist. Complete version on RWD 6105 B which is missing from this collection. Genre(s) Blues (Music) Guitar music (Jazz) Jazz--1961-1970 Subject Guitar music (Jazz) Name(s) Byrd, Charlie, 1925-. (performer) Burrell, Kenny. (performer) Green, Grant. (performer) Group(s) Charlie Byrd Trio. (musical group) Newport Jazz Festival (1966) Collection Voice of America Music Library Collection (Library of Congress) Physical Item RGA 0104--0105 (RWD 6104 B2, 6105 B2). 2 digital sound cassettes, digital (polyester). Recording Laboratory 1995-7. Collection/Donor name: Voice of America Music Library Collection (Library of Congress)

Listening now from the other side of the world. Ain't technology grand. Thanks guys!

Thanks for posting that story fasstrack I enjoyed reading it.

A very Frankfurt-school sentiment. AHH...Crouch and Marsalis are inverse Adornians