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Speaking for myself at the time I heard it I had no other Grant Green to compare it to. While I wouldn't rank it over or close to the Sonny Clark sessions I do have a strong sentiment for it. Just for the work by Herbie and Grant on it I feel it deserves some positive merit. Well I think this was one of the first Grants to be issued on cd. So it might be a session that was an introduction of sorts to Grant for a lot of people. It was certainly one of the very first ones I heard. True it isn't up there with the Sonny Clark collaborations, Idle Moments etc. but I think the pathos in Grant's sound matches the yearning melancholy of the tunes in a good way. Whereas Goin West brings out the playfulness in Grant's music perhaps. Maybe not essential but still indespensible for me. Interesting that Grant revisited some of these tunes on Iron City. Did they remain part of his live repertoire perhaps?

Actually MG, do you think your wife might be able to locate the Green Acid tapes for us? Nobody else seems to be having any luck. Ha ha. If she did, she'd burn them. MG Prefers the straight ahead Grant?

Actually MG, do you think your wife might be able to locate the Green Acid tapes for us? Nobody else seems to be having any luck.

Live at the Club Mozambique - Lonnie Smith Grass Roots - Andrew Hill Contrast - Larry Young Accent on the Blues - John Patton That Certain Feeling - John Patton Rusty Bryant Returns - Rusty Bryant Live at the Lighthouse - Grant Green Carryin On - Grant Green Soul Brotherhood - Charles Kynard Say it Loud - Lou Donaldson Chosen from what I've got. Haven't heard the entire sessions for Alligator Boogaloo or El Hombre yet, or any of the Stitt/Patterson stuff like the Left Bank. So figure they would be otherwise included when I do.

That's not entirely true. Gates used to worship Big John but never forgave him for hiring James Blood Ulmer and has had a vendetta against him ever since.

Welcome! I have both the Japanese and the domestic RVGs. . . the US RVG sounds GREAT! I didn't know anything could sound better than the JRVG version. I'II have to get the USRVG while it's still cheap and avaliable. A good excuse to listen to this great session again.

Anyone have any information on this? Is it good? Available? Available from CD Baby. Read what SoulStream said in the sleeve notes, which are printed on the CD Baby site. Personally, I wouldn't be without it. MG It's a special kind of recording I think, and needs to be appreciated in the context expressed in the liner notes. When is Soul Connection coming out on CD?

Could this session be considered Benson's best contribution to a Blue Note date?

Damn it I've missed the cut off date.

Well I'd love to get any kind of Grant. Like you say chewy, they're probably in the hands of collectors with beards.

Big John and Grant doing Jean de Fleur great tune, its got to be a good listen.

Happy Birthday MG and many happy returns!!!!!!! Take it EASY!!!!!!!!!!

I've had several versions of "Iron city" on LP and CD and I've never thought it was an RVG session (but what do I know? I can't tell the difference between most BN LPs and RVG or McMaster CDs back to back). But the Verve discog doesn't actually SAY it was RVG (though that's pretty certain, given how much Creed Taylor used RVG). MG Well I've never really felt it was an RVG session. Perhaps because the sound and levels b/t the organ and guitar are not as seamless as you'd expect (or my own ears suggest) they are on other sessions. That is not to say that it's not an RVG maybe mitagating circumstances made it an anamoly of the times. Who Knows. Surely anyone still alive that was involved in the Verve sessions would have memory of Grant doing Chim Chm Cheree. Is Ben Dixon still alive? Does he ever speak about this time in his career. Maybe the Iron City as we know it might have a context with the TV tapings documented by the photo in jaziz of Grant,Larry and Ben Dixon??? I still think the presence of Fat Judy suggests big John is involved. Why don't you have 'Sunday Morning' Chewy,, Don't you like Grant with piano? and they do a film theme,'let my people go"

I can't remember which actual topic MG but right about the time I first posted I mentioned this session. It might be in the thread about 'Live at the Club Mozambique' or in a GG re-issue thread, but I mentioned these sessions and you did say that they were lost. And I was devastated and still am. BUT perhaps they are in existance 'somewhere'. Whenever I am reminded of this discography listing I think of Elvin Jones saying in the Andrews Green biog that he thought Grant reached a plateau in 1965, and that everything he played at that time was sublime. I also think Peter Leitch's description of Grant's lines as 'existing on some celestial plane' from the liner notes of HMKF as also being a great description. So we are still left to wonder what/who these performances captured. If they ever surface perhaps they could be released as "Grant's Last Standards". Thanks for starting this topic MonkBoughtLunch. BTW, did anyone see the latest copy of Jazziz with all those great photos of the 60's guitar heroes taken at the TV station. An amazing photo of GG and Larry Young. Now what is the context for these photos? Are they 1960's television tapings? Lost to posterity too, I suppose.

These truly are untold jazz histories.

I've got them here and I'm not giving them back until those Verve sessions are found.

A befuddled Holy Ghost suggests that maybe they should shampoo and condition the crop circles and then maybe they'll go away. hhmmmm..the freelancer wants to know if crop circles is one of those new age Pat Metheny albums with synths.

I thought Basketball was played indoors.

OH that's really dissapointing. Does this mean the Verve catalogue was not looked after as well as, say the Blue Note archives. Or that the masters just may have become unlistenable over time due to negligence. The King Funk session was recently and beautifully remastered by Universal Japan, and presented in great mini lp format. The insert which is in Japanese (those ones that are authored Wings may have relevant info but not reading Japanese I can't tell).

Wasn't Jimmy Lewis a tag-team with Idris Muhammed during this time. I seem to remember liner notes saying they were the rhythm section for Hair at the time.

No I definitely meant 'the magnificent one' who I hope was having a 'glass half empty' moment when he wrote that the Verve 65 tapes are lost. Hopefully, MG, it's not the case. Michael Cuscana or Bob Belden ever been down this avenue perhaps?

Yeh well I meant to type Herbie Lewis. If it 'was' Herbie Nicholls on bass then it 'would' have been really 'interesting' and probably would have been released by now. It didn't happen.

What is this unreleased "Acid Green" session he and others refer to? It's one he did before "Shades of Green". There's a previous thread on this which I think gives details. But it comes out funny - perhaps my browser. http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php...w=&st=& MG Oh sorry Mg it's quite a later session than I realised. But it is strange for Herbie Nichols to be in there on Double Bass. Wonder what the context for that was and how it might have influenced the ensemble. ie is it slightly unique compared to he other sesions from this time.

What is this unreleased "Acid Green" session he and others refer to? Green Acid is one of the early second period sessions that remained in the can. Full session details can be found at jazzdisco. What I remember as being interesting is that it has Herbie Lewis on upright bass, if the sessionography is correct. So I think it might be closest in spirit to 'carryn on' perhaps. Which incidentaly is a session that would very much benefit from a remaster, and has some not insignificant tunes and performances on it. IMHO. But soundwise is the weakest I think.

I have mentioned these sessions repeatedly hoping upon hope that they exist somewhere. It has been stated by MG that he is of the opinion that the tapes no longer exist. Just think what goodies lie on these if they are still around. Who is on organ "larry Young or Big John or both. Is it Wild Bill Davidson and the players from the Hodges sessions Green was on. Look at the tunes. The Iron City setlist plus Chim Chim Cheree etc. Grant had just recorded Got a Good Thing Going, so his lines were caught in the middle of referencing some of the linear aspects of Trane, but pared back, way back to an R&B intensified tone. On one of the Iron City tracks they vamp over a love supreme groove. Maybe Creed Taylor has some memory of this session and where the tapes may be found.