Big Beat Steve

Not any more (or less) than you had to be there in those 50s R&B juke joints to esxperience THAT music first hand - or whatever music from "before your time" strikes your fancy. It's all a matter of being able to imagine yourself into those settings through the suviving/existing music and not projecting too much "benefit of hindsight" into it all.

Somewhere on some other site (can't recall where) I read that somebody who did manage to talk to June Eckstine about this accident in recent times more or less only obtained the statement that this accident "was the tragedy of my life". Little wonder she doesn't want to go into all this again. As for Bob Redcross, somewhere on the site linked by Bichos there is a still from the movie that shows Bob Redcross when he had returned to the exact location of the accident.

Of course it is. Look under "Hasselgard movie".

Up to the cutoff date of 1962 Jepsen's discography does not list any "In The Mood" among the Cozy Cole leader dates.

Very interesting news, though it is not easy to find out which of the tracks are actually new (and not only new to CD) as some tracks seem to exist in several (live/non-commercial) versions so you do not always know which is which from the track listing on the Dragon website. I'd certainly like to know definitely which of the tracks are not only new to any previously released Dragon and Phontastic CDs featuring Stan but are also not to be found on Spotlite SPJ134, Cupol CLPN343, Dragon DRLP163, DRLP16, DRLP25 and DRLP29. Am not really sure whether those two Johnny White tracks really warrant buying the CD but oh well ... the for once completist might win out again ...

Exactly my impressions upon listening to my copy of this record (RVG edition CD by EMI). I really cannot make out anything that could really be called "SEVERE flutter" during the vast majority of the tune. A slight raggediness (which may be intentional?) in the way some instruments sound here and there but nothing distracting and no discernible change of fidelity vs the subsequent tunes on the CD. (And my ears cannot possibly have been damaged that badly by listening to too many French DMM pressings of BN's? ) I realize it is frowned upon in circles that probably consider themselves particularly "enlightened" to speak out against what would be considered the "accepted wisdom" of BN-ism but honestly, to me all this is "much ado about not all that much". Maybe these characters ought to tune in their ears to a hefty dose of CD remasters from the 78 rpm era where you often just cannot eliminate all the hiss, pops and crackles without flattening the sound. That would teach them a lesson about music that is worth "listening through" a wee bit of surface noise any time!

Maybe she actually was Bill Wyman's sis? But you are right ... one might start wondering ... (see on the left below) But AFAIK their line-up remained the same while the band existed so maybe this might be a bit more convincing:

OF COURSE they were real! Very real and quite good among the Merseybeat groups (though not as good-looking IMHO as some made them out to be). No, I wasn't there (far, far too young and geographically removed anyway) but this British beat band was a staple on the Hamburg scene in the Beatles era after the girls had made the trek from Britain to Hamburg. Photographic documents of them abound in books about the legendary Star Club in Hamburg, and I do remember seeing quite a bit of footage from the just as legendary Beat Club TV show recorded and broadcast by Radio Bremen (a couple of months ago a German TV station broadcast an all-night special on this Beat Club, unfortunately I failed to record it on video). Am not sure what their status was on the British mid-60s beat scene but they did have a sort of cult status in Germany for sure. BTW, if you wonder whether this or that band from that period and location was real, why not check (google) out THE MONKS and wonder in amazement how come THEY were real? (And ask yourself the question in the process what kind of oddballs and weirdies the Yanks let loose on the overseas world at that time ). FWIW actually the members of the Monks were and still are pretty cool and down to earth (if recent interviews with members who've stayed in Europe are anything to go by)

So how many different masterings and pressings are we talking about that are plagued by this so grave problem and which exactly are they (release numbers etc.)?

My first Grant Green: The Latin Bit with Ike Quebec, Johnny Acea, Sonny Clark, Wendell Marshall, Willie Bobo, Carlos Valdez, Garvn Masseaux (with bonus tracks, hence the presence of Ike and Sonny).

O.K., then ... ... my first purchase of a Roy Haynes-led disc: Esquire EP featuring these: Stockholm, Sweden, October 3, 1954 1. MR757 | 11422 Little Leona 2. 11423 Miss Mopsy 3. 11424 He's Gone Again 4. 11425 Hagnes Ake Persson (tb -1,2) Sahib Shihab (as, bars -1/3) Bjarne Nerem (ts -1/3) Adrian Acea (p) Joe Benjamin (b) Roy Haynes (d)

Sorry to interupt you and take you elsewhere again but here's my first Kenny Dorham leader date: Kenny Dorham Memorial Album (Xanadu, reissue of a 1960 session for the Time label) Charles Davis (bs), Tommy Flanagan (p), Butch Warren (b), Buddy Enlow (dr).

"Chet Baker in Paris Vol. 2 and 3 1955-56" (Blue Star) feat. Dick Twardzik (p), Jimmy Bond (b), Peter Littman (dr) plus Raymond Fol, Benoit Quersin, Jean-Louis Viale, Bobby Jaspar, Rene Urtreger, Jean-Louis Chautemps, Francy Boland, Eddie De Haas, Charles Saudrais, Benny Vasseur, Armand Migiani, William Boucaya, Jean Aldegon, Bert Dahlander, Teddy Ameline, Pierre Lemarchand.

Not necessarily. If you get to be more demanding it can be comforting to listen in beforehand and make sure it is what you expect. But OTOH (as explained on another thread) it did happen to me that I was slightly underwhelmed with records or CDs I had bought "blind" (or "deaf", if you prefer) as they did not turn out to be 100% what I had expected. However, in virtually all cases I did warm up to them upon repeated listening, i.e. they really "grew on me". I doubt this process would have occurred if I had listened to a sample first (because who would listen to the samples 2, 3 or 4 times just to "make sure"?). SO I might have missed out on some music that owuld have been enjoyable and would have opened up new horizons after all.

Same here. I distinctly remember I bought this totally "blind" when I came across a copy of the vinyl release of this in a local record shop in the early 80s. I wasn't disappointed at all either (your Lee Konitz comparison is very fitting for those who are not familiar with Swedish cool jazz). But OTOH Swedish jazz of 1945-60 era is one segment of my jazz interest where I ALWAYS have bought anything I could get my hands on without ever bothering to listen in first (so this one - at a time when reissues were thin on the ground outside Sweden - was a "must have"). Ever since my first purchase (Lars Gullin's "Danny's Dream" twofer LP on Metronome) I at least had a general "feel" of what to expect and knew I could not go wrong (and never did).

He did. He was featured on all of the tracks. Not the nominal leader on all of them at the time these tracks were recorded but it would be hard to pin down anyway because some were all-star lineups and others were jam session airshots. Your admonition will be heeded, I promise. So we will go on from Red Norvo if you want to allow the entire LP contents as a basis - O.K.? My first one by Red: "Red Norvo Sextet and Trio - Chamber Jazz" (Vol. 18 from the "Jazz Lab" series by German MCA (mid-70s) with those garish "chemistry lab" covers): June 23, 1944 session: Aaron Sachs (cl), Danny Negri (p), Remo Palmieri (g), Clyde Lombardi (b), Eddie Dell (dr) 1952 sessions: Tal Farlow (g), Red Mitchell (b) 1953 sessions: Jimmy Raney (g), Red Mitchell (b)

@Dan Gould: I'd be happy to jump in on that one (being a long-time Red Norvo fan) but Red Norvo was not on the Bill Harris leader date I listed. (He had a leader date of his own on that LP) Sorry ... But I'll move on like this: My first Billy Bauer-led record purchase: "Billy Bauer - Plectrist" (Verve) Andrew Ackers (p), Milt Hinton (b), Osie Johnson (dr)

Bill Harris Septet session of Sept.5, 1945 for Keynote, feat. Pete Candoli (tp), Flip Phillips (ts), Ralph Burns (p), Billy Bauer (g), Chubby Jackson (b), alvin Burroughs (dr) reissued here:

Exceedingly pleased to oblige: "Ben And The Boys" (Jazz Archives JA-35). For further routes, see here (didn't feel like typing it all): Now if that isn't quite a list to choose from...

Hee hee ... good one. You asked for it, so here is my first (fleamarket) Ray Bryant find of about 25 years ago: "Madison Time Pt. I + II" (Philips 45 rpm) feat. (so sez Jepsen) Harry Edison (tp), Urbie Green (tb), Buddy Tate (ts), Tommy Bryant (b), Bill English (dr). Mainstream jazz, anyone?

I am fully aware of what you say and this is fine with me (keeps up the suspense, you know ). I would not even want to wait for "like minds" but would only TRY to give the sequence a push in a "new" direction off certain trodden paths. O.K. since I did not listen my first Al Cohn record yet, here goes: The Progressive Al Cohn (Savoy SJL 126) (like mentioned earlier, I explored new (to me) artists often by starting with their early works in order to "ease" my way in, so to speak) This one has the following sidemen: George Wallington (p), Tommy Potter (b), Tiny Kahn (dr), Nick Travis (tp), Horave Silver and Max Roach. Anybody want to go the bebop route (instead of the "obvious" one) from here?

I ought to have thought that Wendell Marshall (non-leader) thing was fairly obvious. Did anybody notice that the MJQ territory has been charted at least once before in this thread and that we're back again yet among a handful of "obvious" names? And where have been all those Tubbs fans who crowd those Tubbs threads when they had a chance to have a say here? BTW, Dan, if you want to get back on the right track from before that Wendell Marshall "deviation", may I suggest this for further "firsts" starting from the Eddie Costa disc above that included Wendell Marshall? My first Vinnie Burke leader LP (bought along with the Jubilee trio LP but that's been covered by BillF) was: Vinnie Burke All Stars - ABC Paramount 139 also feat. Al Cohn, Joe Puma, Jimmy Raney, Urbie Green, Eddie Costa, Joe Morello And don't nobody tell me there aren't plenty of leaders in this lineup that are worthy of being represented in ANY decent jazz collection. So come on, let's see you aren't all stuck in that hard bop rut, hey? :crazy:

Lucky you! The first Eddie Costa leader date I ever bought is on this one: "Verve(J) MV 2539 "George Wallington Trio & Eddie Costa Trio" The Eddie Costa part also features Rolf Kühn (cl), Dick johnson (as), Ernie Furtado (b), Al Berdini (d).

My first Tubby Hayes leader date purchase: The Couriers of Jazz (Carlton) also feat. Ronnie Scott (ts), Terry Shannon (p), Jeff Clyne (b), Bill Eyden (dr).

Thank you. MY first Dizzy Reece: Progress Report (Jasmine, originally on Decca). feat. Dave Goldberg (ts), Johnny Weed (p), Lennie Bush (b), Phil Seamen (dr), Ronnie Scott (ts), Terry Shannon (p), Vic Feldman (p), Lloyd Thompson (b). :D