Big Beat Steve

Sonorama reissue of an obscure 1965 release on Elite Special (bought yesterday for the "Jazz from Germany" section of my collection)

PDF file received safely. Thank you very much again, Romualdo!

Hi Romualdo Thanks very much for your proposal. I will send you a PM as soon as possible in the course of the day for the follow-up of this.

Up again ... Does anyone have any idea if a scan of the the booklet accompanying the 12-CD "Classic Capitol Jazz Sessions" Mosaic box set is available anywhere online? (The fact that the T-Bone Walker Mosaic booklet showed up on archive.org had me wondering but the booklet does not seem to be on file there) Some 15 years ago I bought an "orphaned" copy of this set through eBay.com: All 3 jewel cases with the discs and the small booklets just giving the discographical info, but no box and no big booklet/book. Apparently a cutout copy. Hence my question. Thanks in advance!

Just a brief look at the reverse side of this coin that will might be "food for thought" for EU forum members: Now that there is the EU-USA customs duties agreement whereby EU exports to the USA will be subject to 15% customs duties for the time being (until further notice, or should I say "until further whims"? ) but USA exports to EU countries are for the most part at 0 (zero)% duties, I for one wouldn't hold my breath that we as private buyers will now be able receive any shipments of records, CDs or similar all duty-free to our doorsteps. It just does not seem likely, given the general regulatory climate. Not to mention that duty-exemption thresholds applicable until now have been ridiculously low for some time, and prohibitive mailing rates by US shippers have probably killed most transactions anyway.

But there is another saying that us collectors ought to heed every now and then: "He who lets himself be carried away will be lost!" (Before collecting turns into "hoarding of many things" )

Thanks very much for that link, Hopkins! 👍 I am not concerned by the original question as I do not own that set, but that booklet will serve me very well as additional background info to my 4-CD Properbox "The Original Source" that essentially covers T-Bone Walker's 1940-51 output.

O.K., regardless of what Lord says, if I got the above findings right, the session of 25 April 1952 should read like this in the discographies from now on ?

Mine too. Past Perfect Silver Line label. Time to spin it again now, I guess.

And in the end this is just the mirrored image of all those sellers on Discogs (and eBay - and Organissimo, FWIW ) who will not ship outside the USA. Understandable, sometimes a real pity, but that's the way it is. Not just now with all those weirdass tariff "politics" right now but for quite some time already due to ever-increasing USPS rates (and probably more involved paperwork or other - perceived or real - uncertainties at the seller's end). BTW, @Stefan Wood: Did you at one time live in Washington, DC? If so, I bought from you through eBay in 2004.

Nondescript cover of a latter-day reissue. In case anyone's wondering, it's this one: https://www.discogs.com/de/release/4116417-Lucky-Thompson-Lucky-Thompson

As far as I can see (Page 11 of the Lester Young Part 3 document) the basic info (dates, lineups, tunes) remains the same the for dates discussed above but he is more detailed in analyzing the contents of each tracks (solos, etc.). OTOH he does not list the track lengths or the record releases. So both sources together would give the best possible overview. And the descriptions of the solos should help clarifying which tune is from which date. So ... thanks for the link! I downloaded all 3 files "for future reference". And will certainly do so with others too.

No, not really ... but many years ago I compiled my own cassette chock full of all the versions of "Jumping At The Woodside" that I was able to come up with from my records. Played it over and over again without tiring of it ... Many versions by Count Basie, of course, but amazingly different anyway through the years, and then there were Lester Young, Bob Wills, Lambert Hendricks & Ross and others ... By now I would have even more versions in my collection. Re- "Summertime:" Two suggestions (off the beaten tracks of the usual): Dave Phillips & The Hot Rod Gang ("Wild Youth" LP, obviously modeled on the 1958 version by Gene Vincent ) The Slingshots ("Big Noise From Northwood" V.A. LP) (both from the early 80s)

So that settles it. (Or back to the starting grid? ) However, if all the names mentioned by Leonard Feather were in the lineup(s), though apparently never all of them at the same time, and if these weren't all the musicians present (according to your post he did not mention Wynton Kelly and Aaron Bell present on 25/04/52), then the "different dates" must include the one from 4 August 1951 because that is the only one that has Earl Knight in the lineup (with "Neenah" and "Lester Leaps In" recorded at both possible dates indicated above). And as you have seen in the "Lestorian Notes", several more Birdland Broadcasts exist from April/May 1952 with the same lineup as on 25/04/52. But none of the tunes recorded at these subsequent dates match those of 25/04/52.

My Prez discography ("Lestorian Notes" by Piet Koster and Harm Mobach, published in 1998, so I don't know if this one or the one by Jan Evensmo is more up to date) lists the session of 25 April 1952 like this: I then tried to narrow down the recordings to the line-up given by Feather, and according to the musician index Earl Knight only appeared once with Pres - on the session hereafter of 4 August 1951: But Earl Knight and Lee Abrams together at one and the same session apparently never happened - at least not on any known recordings. So ...? Like Niko said, the 25 April 1952 date is the most likely candidate, but the line-up announced by Feather then would be incorrect. If all this is what you already arrived at as well, Medjuck, then sorry - but I tried.

According to JEPSEN it is a different take. The one on JWC-512 is listed as the alternate take. The other one (the "master take", then) is listed by Jepsen and Bruyninckx as being the one on "Swingin' Like 60" (WL-1289) but only Jepsen lists PJ-13 (This is The Blues) for this take as well.

The Affinity reissues of the two Frank Rosolino LPs from the Kenton Presents series matched the originals somewhat better. BUT ... don't you agree that what Affinity did with the covers of the reissues of the Bethlehem LPs (reissued at about the same time) was much, much worse? It's only their availability and affordability that saves them ...

So how do the Canadians pronounce the city of "Quebec"? From what I remember from those I've encountered around here or heard on Canadian Army radio (when there still was such a thing here) it is more like "kwe-BEK" or "ke-BEK" but rarely "QWEE-bek" or "KEE-bek". I.e pronounced with the stress on the end (as with the habitants referred to as the "ke-BEKKERS"). But as you indicate, it apparently is different with his name.

Yes, from all I've read before I realize it's like you said. But for a CONSCIENTIOUSLY programmed re-reissue that's no reason not to include them this time around IMHO. After all, as you confirm they WERE intended for marketing as 45s. Or was it a matter of playing time? (Which I somehow find hard to believe if there had been a will - considering that the set has 3 LPs).

So it really is so that they now omitted those 2 missing tracks for the THIRD time? Beats me why ... All on the premise that these 2 tracks were not released originally on 45s so "for authenticity sake" there is no need to include them now because they strictly speaking were not part of his 45 discography? Regardless of what collectors might be craving for? Do they really need to ride the "upgrade to new format" or "milk new buyer segments" train THAT blatantly?

So there were specific US-printed and equipped OJC covers? I bought lots of OJCs new throughout the later 80s and the 90s but cannot recall ANY single European-printed OJC cover (i.e. usually from Mikulski/ZYX in Germany in my case) or other printing distributed over here that had anything resembling an "OBI". There often was a much smaller sticker either on the shrink wrap or on the front of the cover itself, but it included only some sort of promo texts. And as it was easy to detach them without leaving marks they did not survive. However, in some cases the reissuers added the recording dates on the Prestige OJC reissues that did not have them originally (squeezing in a line of text in a font that usually differed from anything else on the back cover and that looked very much like an afterthought). Examples: OJC 054 (7031 - "Art Farmer Septet") and OJC 296 (7166 - "Workin'" / Miles Davis). I don't know, though, how many of these there were overall.

Will read this again when I get around to it, so thanks for the link. But in THIS thread I would not want to go too far into BN territory. The "Prestige/Milestone" twofer experience is a case of its own!

Which reissue series would this have been? I do not own all that many OJC CDs but those I have include the original liner notes, as do the OJC (and similar, somewhat earlier) LP facsimile reissues reproducing the original cover artwork and layout. OTOH, that crop of Don Schlitten-produced Prestige/New Jazz reissues from the 60s/early 70s featured updated, insightful liner notes from (what I have seen at a quick glance at my LPs) the likes of Mark Gardner, Martin Williams, Chris Albertson, Doug Ramsey, Dan Morgenstern a.o. Not a bad selection of writers IMO. But I think you are right about not knowing (initially!) what you got when looking at the exterior of the Prestige twofers. For example, a photo of Miles Davis from (more or less) the "Electric Miles" period on the cover when 1956 classic quintet sessions are inside can only be attributed to the tastes and expectations of the average jazz buyers of the early 70s. But the insides of those twofers tell it all - so no doubt about what the buyer gets. And after all, this out-of-tune cover artwork problem was one that occurred with most reissue labels of the 70s (and often later as well). Good idea!

Oh yes, I remember these well and they remain important elements of my collection. I am also among those who started buying quite a few of these soon after the collecting bug got a hold (from 1975-76 onwards in my case). Though probably not the "usual suspects" that others went crazy about. IIRC the first one I ever bought was the one by Blind Lemon Jefferson (talk about lowest of lo-fi to those then youthful ears! ). Its inner sleeves first acquainted me with the concept of those "Milestone Twofers". Those I next remember getting an awful lot of spins here were those by Dizzy Gillespie ("In The Beginning"), Wardell Gray, George Wallington and the "Prestige First Sessions 1949/50" V.A. anthology. But over time I also stocked up heavily on Miles (this mostly was before the OJC facsimile reissues of the individual LPs hit the bins everywhere) and sundry hard boppers. I had become aware of the existence of the Blue Note "brown paper bag" twofers (mentioned by Milestones) early on but they remained outside the affordable price range of my student's purse for a long time. Truth be told, I've been using the term of "twofer" as a generic one for a long time now to encompass the 2-LP sets of other labels, particularly those on RCA Bluebird from the 70s and those on Savoy released in the 80s. Same approach, overall, and always good value for money ...

I must admit, though, that I find the "Elvis Sings Thelonious Monk" idea way more exciting. Considering what can probably be done with AI today, can't someone geeky enough out there get to work and cobble some soundalike sound samples of this up? This should REALLY be fun!