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Is there a track "Change of Setting" on the album by Tubby "For Members Only"? I have seen one tracklist which included it. If so, can anyone who has the album tell me who wrote the tune? Was it Tubby himself? This seems quite likely.

I voted for Stan Getz just to buck the trend - didn't like to think of him not getting any votes in that company so made sure of at least one. But I had company anyway.

Nice picture, Couw, thanks. I've saved it for eventual insertion at our site. Collection is growing. Thanks too for the link. I have seen the item before but have not yet looked closely at the RR mentions. It is on my list of things to do - a long list!

I posted this elsewhere but no replies there so far, so trying here. Below is an entry from the jazz discography I am trying to complete for Ronnie Ross. I am now attempting to put in composers but have got very little information for the tunes on this album - only three entered and I'm not sure about those. Personnel: Johnny Scott (alto saxophone, flute), Bob Burns (alto saxophone, clarinet), Ronnie Ross (baritone saxophone), Bill Le Sage (vibraphone, piano), Spike Heatley (bass), Tony Carr (drums), Freddie Alexander, Maurice Westerby, Francis Cabarro, William De Mont (cellos). Leader: Bill Le Sage Date: April 29 1964 Venue: London Label: Philips BL7625 Album Title: Directions In Jazz 1. Night Talk (Bill Le Sage) 2. Morning Theories 3. Lay Day 4. Honky Tonk 5. Gaber Dance 6. Milestones (Miles Davis) 7. Monkey Business 8. New Orleans (Hoagy Carmichael) 9. Times Two And A Half 10. Rustic Gate If anyone has the album or has access to it, I would be very grateful for confirmation/correction of the composers I have entered and the names for the tracks I haven't. Maybe track timings too, if possible. Thanks a lot.

The Stan Tracey Website LINER NOTES -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- JUST FRIENDS EMI SX 6003 (Stereo SCX 6003) Paul Gonsalves and Tubby Hayes Personnel: Paul Gonsalves (tenor saxophone), Tubby Hayes (alto and tenor saxophones, vibraphone), Jackie Sharpe (baritone saxophone), Jimmy Deuchar (trumpet and mellophone), Keith Christie (trombone), Les Condon (trumpet), Stan Tracey (piano), Lennie Bush (bass), Ronnie Stevenson (drums). Tupa (Hayes - Gonsalves) Amber Mood (Deuchar) Just Friends (Klenner - Lewis) Pedro's Walk (Hamer) Baby Blue (Tracey) Souraya (Hayes) Mini Minor (Hamer) On the original record, tracks 1 - 3 constituted Side One, tracks 4 - 7 Side 2. Tubby Hayes appears by kind permission of Fontana Records Ltd. Copyright 1965 This recording session was brought about mainly by mutual admiration - mutual admiration of two top tenor saxophonists, each for the other. When the Duke Ellington Band played England and the Continent in 1964, it was unfortunate that Paul Gonsalves, a real cornerstone of the organisation, was taken ill immediately prior to the bank's opening concert at the Festival Hall. It was extremely fortunate for Duke Ellington that, seated in the stalls that night, eagerly waiting to hear the show, was Tubby Hayes. He was spotted, his help solicited, and the band took up the state with Mr. Hayes occupying the vacant seat in the saxophone section. At the end of the concert 'Tubs' rightly received a standing ovation for a difficult job expertly handled, but nowhere was the acclamation stronger than from the Ellington musicians themselves. A few days later, Paul Gonsalves, now completely recovered, took the opportunity to pay a call upon Tubby Hayes at the club where he was working. They played a set or two together and before Paul left made a friendly resolution that one day, come what may, they would somehow make a record together. The opportunity occurred sooner than they expected, for the following year, whilst the Duke Ellington Orchestra were touring the Continent, they met up with Hayes once again. To get Paul and Tubby into a recording studio looked impossible, but the sterling efforts of Jackie Sharpe who personally, and at no small cost to himself, undertook to arrange the recording, made it possible. He hired the services of some of Britain's best musicians, got them all to a studio, and supervised the complete session. The results are here for you to hear. As usual, when musicians of a like calibre get together, the music flowed freely, and the session went through without a hitch. The other British musicians were all keenly in sympathy with the two principal soloists and provided a solid foundation for them to work on. The front line worked exceedingly well together: as Deuchar, Condon and Sharpe were all members of Hayes' first small band, and were easily familiar with each other's methods. Stan Tracey, the pianist, was also completely conversant with their ways, having played with all the rhythm section from time to time at Ronnie Scott's Club, where he is the resident pianist. It was exceedingly fortunate that Sharpe was able to obtain the services of Lennie Bush and Ronnie Stevenson, for these two members of the Jack Parnell Orchestra are always in such great demand, that to find them both with time to spare for such a recording at the same time was lucky and unusual. The scores are, except for one tune, original manuscripts by British musicians - so too are all the arrangements The opening track TUPA is an original composition by Gonsalves and Hayes - the title being derived from the first two letters of their names. Paul takes the first solo, Tubby the second. The eight bar exchanges between the two, give way to four bar exchanges, until the theme is faded out. AMBER MOOD is a lovely melody composed and arranged by Jimmy Deuchar. Paul is the soloist throughout, except for eight bars from Deuchar's trumpet. JUST FRIENDS is another Jimmy Deuchar arrangement. A bright, swingy tune, Paul comes on first, followed by Deuchar on mellophone, with Paul again to finish it off. Side Two opens with a new composition by Ian Hamer, PEDRO'S WALK. A Stan Tracey introduction leads to Paul and 'Tubs' swapping sixteen and then eight bar phrases. BABY BLUE was composed by pianist Tracey. It features some wonderful bass playing by Lennie Bush, and solos from both Paul and Tracey. SOURAYA is another Hayes original. He opens playing vibes, the only other soloist being Gonsalves. The final track, MINI MINOR, is another arrangement and composition by Ian Hamer. After a twenty-four bar introduction by the rhythm team the soloists are Paul, Keith Christie and Stan Tracey, in that order. © SINCLAIR TRAILL ('Jazz Journal') The above filched from the Stan Tracey discography.

You've done it again, V! No, I knew Ronnie Ross not there but he did play alto in a Tubby Hayes big band that did a broadcast on BBC radio May 17 1965 and they played this tune. I have the track from [Change of Setting] too but from an air shot, not the GP compilation. Having listened to it fairly carefully, I think it is a four tenor line-up (Hayes, Gonsalves, Scott and Coe, not necessarily in that solo order although it might be right - Hayes is first I'm sure) plus three rhythm only. Nance and Sharpe sat it out I guess - I can't hear them anyway. So thanks a lot for the info and for the input, Bertrand and Couw too. The album [Change of Setting] is rare I think, from the little I've seen. Nothing I could find at eBay.

There is an album by Tubby Hayes and Paul Gonsalves that includes the tune "Don't Fall Off the Bridge" but I can't find any reference to the composer. Does anyone have the album or know who wrote the tune? This is for my Ronnie Ross discography - he isn't on the record of course but the tune does figure in a BBC jazz session broadcast in 1965. Thanks.

You're the Tops, V. Thanks a million. I've got lots more I can't find...

Marty - It was recorded April 20 and 24 1964. jazzscript - £25! intoxica - vinyl - £100!!!!!

I am trying to find out who composed some of the tunes on the album [Tubbs' Tours] by Tubby Hayes. After much searching I have some of them but would be grateful if anyone who has the album could confirm the ones I've got and fill in the blanks - (?) - for me. 1. Pedro`s Walk (Ian Hamer) (4:43) 2. In The Night (Tubby Hayes) (4:37) 3. Russian Roulette (?) (6:15) 4. Raga (?) (2:35) 5. Parisian Thoroughfare (Bud Powell) (3:05) 6. The Killers Of W1 (Jimmy Deuchar) (6:08) 7. The Scandinavian (?) (4:38) 8. Israel Nights (?) (4:22) 9. Sasa-Hivi (Peter King) (4:03) Thanks a lot.

For that seductive timbre, I remember Vic Ash playing Good Bait on an EP I had many years ago. Never heard the like since for tone. Wish I could hear it again although sometimes revisiting the past can be disappointing. Just like to put a word in for Sam Most too.

So maybe 13 is Vince Guaraldi - he wrote the tune, I believe.

So I don't have to look up 8. Jim R has given us the info - Eddie de V on baritone, not Serge. I've got this one too.

Once again, as with disc 1, no comments read or other assistance sought, yet. So many tracks! I will just comment where I think I might have something helpful to say. 1. This tune starts off sounding like Bags' Groove but then not so much so. Sounds rather like Eddie Harris to me. 2. Basie? - only frm the "chink--chink-chink" though. Same tune as 1? 3. Ellington? - Carney? 4. Goodman? Shaw? 7. How High the Moon - that's all i can say. 8. The tune is Tenor Madness aka Royal Roost aka Rue Chaptal and the baritone sounded like Serge to me. So how about Boots Mussulli? And maybe even Herb Pomeroy. I can look this up later. 11. Like this, but no ideas yet. 12. Vibes/drums by the same person. This should give some idea but it doesn't so far. 13. The tune sounds like Ginza Samba to me but I don't know this version. Is it Joe Pass? OP? Again, I will look it up. 14. I'll Remember April - don't know who. Like it! 15. No clue but like it too! 19. Earl Bostick??? 20. Ray Charles? 23. Bags' Groove again! Can't contribute anything else here. Now I can get reading as I listen again. Some good stuff there Mike. Thanks.

I haven't read any previous comments or used AMG or anything else - just listened, so comments are correspondingly sparse! 1. Liked the cheerfulness - vibes (?) sounded almost like a marimba at one time I thought. No idea who or what. 2. I'm not a vocals fan and scat is even more remote for me, but I found the exuberance infectious. No clue. 3. I tried to enjoy this but failed dismally. Echo, drums overpowering. NMCOT. 4. I'm just taking a wild guess at Ronnie Cuber. Again NMCOT, although if it does happen to be Cuber, I like him generally. 5. This one I know - vegetable connection to Sinatra, and the album is food too.this album #5 6. The one we should all know. Chelsea Bridge of course but not really my territory so not familiar. Guess it's a great, so the composerr of Duke. 7. Paper Moon - no idea who. 8. If I was ever to get to like the organ, it would be palyed like this. Guitar sounded a bit like Kenny Burrell I thought. 9. "hair on the chest" - had to turn down the volume - central heating broke down. NMCOT ad infinitum. 10. Sidewinder - quite a nice version. No clue as to who. 11. Harp I can hear but not at all sure what else is there. Celeste? Cello? Well outside my usual listening but even so I enjoyed it. 12. No ideas. I can listen more easily to vocals in this kind of setting though. There's a great version of Sarah with Ray Brown only, sing Body and Soul. Yeah! Nice one, Mike! I will isten again and post if I can think of anything else, but will read other comments too now. On with Disc 2 first!

Email just sent, Dmitry. Looking forward to it, although I have yet to join in the discussion on Mike's.

I thought of doing a survey of members who declare their birthdays to see where I (66) fitted in with the average but gave up after the first two centegenarians.

I'm sorry - computer problems distracted me from contributing as much as I might have done, although I wouldn't have identified any more than I mentioned already. Really enjoyed it though, Tom. Thanks a lot for a brilliant addition to the BFT library I am building up.

Yes, a blind alley only as far as Ronnie Ross discography goes, but it's funny how these things throw up other considerations. In a BFT, people feel bound to say something I suppose and would perhaps reconsider if they could.

Got the info with a posting "elsewhere", but it sounds as though the album does not really belong in a jazz discography. I was around then But I can't remember it at all. Thanks again Couw and anyone else who looked.

Yes, I believe so, Couw. I think there were two albums but Ronnie Ross was on the first, if so. He may also have been on the second too (further) but I'm interested in anything he was on anyway. I only know what I picked up from the Chico thing and one of two passing comments elsewhere.

Happy Brithday and many happy returns, Marcus.

I happened upon a blindfold test (not ours - one that took place in 1964) discussion in which there is a mention of the album [Three Blind Mice] by John(ny) Dankworth. Apparently Ronnie Ross was on it but I admit I have not heard of it before. I have been searching a little but can't find any details such as I need for my Ronnie Ross discography. Chico Hamlton and Albert Stinson etc make rather interesting remarks about Ronnie Ross and Gerry Mulligan ("effete") (here) Does anyone have the album or know any of the details (tracks, personnel/instrumentation, timings - anything and everything!)? Or perhaps someone knows a location where I could find the info? Many thanks.

5. Yes, One Finger Snap - of course! I thought of Freddie Hubbard because of [Empyrean Isles] - now the penny drops.

Ah, yes! When Lights are Low - the quote in 4.