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If it wasn't for Wes, there would be no Melvin Rhyne. Most likely. If it wasn't for Bird, there would be no Miles. Possible.

Alen, there has to be a reason why Horace asked for the 2 bucks for the cassette. Maybe he was made the guy backout at the last minute. This was a way of getting back at him.

I really enjoy Charles Kynard playing. I would have to choose him from the list.

That was great.

... Challenger blew up after takeoff. Where were you and what were you doing? I was in a store buying food for my pet Oscars at the time. Ran home and glued myself to the TV all day and night. Remembering Challenger 20 Years Later By MIKE SCHNEIDER, Associated Press Writer Thu Jan 26, 12:40 PM ET CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. - Twenty years ago, space shuttle Challenger blew apart into jets of fire and plumes of smoke, a terrifying sight witnessed by the families of the seven astronauts and by those who came to watch the historic launch of the first teacher in space. The disaster shattered NASA's spit-shined image and the belief that spaceflight could become as routine as airplane travel. The investigation into the accident's cause revealed a space agency more concerned with schedules and public relations than safety and sound decision-making. Seventeen years later, seven more astronauts were lost on the shuttle Columbia, leading many to conclude NASA had not learned the lessons of Challenger. But after last summer's successful return to flight under the highest level of engineering scrutiny ever, many space watchers are more hopeful. "Don't we all learn as we go?" said Grace Corrigan, who lost her daughter, teacher Christa McAuliffe, in the Challenger accident. "Everybody learns from their mistakes." Joining McAuliffe on the doomed Jan. 28, 1986 Challenger flight were commander Dick Scobee, pilot Mike Smith and astronauts Ellison Onizuka, Judy Resnik, Ron McNair and Greg Jarvis. "It was one of those defining moments in your life that you will always remember," said U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson (news, bio, voting record), D-Fla., who had flown on the shuttle mission preceding Challenger. "Because in 1986, the space shuttle was the symbol of technological prowess of the United States and all the sudden it's destroyed in front of everybody's eyes." The two shuttle disasters, as well as the deaths of the Apollo 1 crew during a 1967 launch pad test, taught the space agency how to improve the herculean task of launching humans into space, NASA administrator Michael Griffin said recently. On Thursday, NASA workers paused for their annual Day of Remembrance in honor of those lost in all three accidents. On Saturday, a ceremony remembering the Challenger accident is planned at Kennedy Space Center. Challenger was brought down just after liftoff by a poorly designed seal in the shuttle's solid rocket booster, which has since been redesigned and has performed without problems. It will be used on the next-generation vehicle with plans to return astronauts to the moon and later to Mars. "We learned how to design solid rocket boosters ... with no further failures," Griffin said. "We got that from the Challenger crew, so that is part of the learning process, I'm afraid." The Challenger disaster came in an era of tighter budgets, smaller work forces and a constant need for the space agency to justify the shuttle program that followed the heyday of the Apollo moon shots. NASA had hoped sending a teacher into space to give a lesson would win back some public interest and show the routine nature of shuttle flights. The success of the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo programs had led NASA to believe that spaceflight eventually could become as commonplace as an airplane ride, said Stanley Reinartz, the former manager of the shuttle project office at the Marshall Spaceflight Center in Huntsville, Ala. He made the decision not to take engineers' concerns about the Challenger's O-ring seals to the highest reaches of NASA management. "Things can go wrong," Reinartz said of the decision to launch. "You don't get away from it. It's always there." Nelson said he is confident that the current NASA leaders have learned the lessons of management hubris from their predecessors. Griffin grounded the shuttle fleet last summer after foam fell off the tank of Discovery during the first shuttle flight after Columbia. It was a chunk of foam debris that doomed Columbia by knocking a hole in its wing. "The problem that NASA has had that caused the destruction of both space shuttles is the same reason ... arrogance in the management of NASA so that they were not listening to the engineers on the line," Nelson said. But some critics wonder how long the 2-year-old reforms and attitude changes implemented after Columbia will last until, once again, dissenting opinion is discouraged and NASA managers override the concerns of their engineers. In a series of telephone conference calls the night before Challenger's liftoff, engineers from NASA contractor Morton Thiokol recommended against a launch because data showed that cold temperatures compromised the O-rings' resiliency. The temperature at launch time was 36 degrees. Under perceived pressure from NASA managers, Thiokol managers reversed themselves and went against the recommendation of their engineers not to launch, according to the investigation by a commission appointed by President Reagan. "The presidential commission made very powerful and strong recommendations on how the system needed to be fixed," said Roger Boisjoly, a former Thiokol engineer who had opposed the Challenger launch during the conference calls. "Initially NASA installed every one of those (recommendations), but in the ensuing years proceeded to dismantle them." Griffin said he is reminded of the early days of the nation's air transport system when scores of test pilots died in plane accidents during the early part of last century. "The knowledge we gained was gained only through many, many losses," Griffin said. "That is the perspective through which we must look at our losses in spaceflight." ___ On the Net: NASA's Web site on the history of the Challenger accident: http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/sts51l.html

Wow. 3.5k. I once wrote here that I went to a company picnic. There was a DJ that had his booth all plastered with 45's and LP's, both the album covers and records. He had some old Blue Note with 47 W 63rd pressed on the covers. Damn, if only he knew what they would have sold for. I don't the condition the LP's were in before he stapled them to some 2 by 4's.

Wow I am lovin' that web site. Thanks for posting it.

It was just a matter of time before this thread was started. When I saw the thread on fasting, I said to myself, in 4 hours we will have a thread on farting. Well I was close. Has anyone ever seen the guy Howard Stern who could fart on que. He was even able to make music with those cheeks.

Anyone planning on reading Horace Silver's autobiography when it comes out in March? Maybe he'll have the story of the cassette tape in it.

He's just sick. Done over and out!

Maybe there'll be previously unpublished lyrics to all of his compositions. LOL

Wanted to bring this up from the dead and see what newer members think.

In March 2004 Downbeat, "out of the material I've written, I own just about all of it... There are only three songs I've written that I can never get back from the publishers I originally put it with, and they are not that popular: 'Opus De Funk,' 'Silverware' and 'Buhaina.'

I've heard a definition of jazz today that was unique, “Jazz is a snowflake, always different.”

Allen, I can't see this being true. Can you say the bassist's name? I can tell you one. The last time Horace Silver played in NYC, May 2004, I was at one show. The band just walked on stage and then the PA system started to blast Kool and the Gags', "Too Hot"(I believe that’s the title). They were just about to start playing and had to wait till the PA got shut off. I don't remember who in the band said to Horace, "How about this tune?" Horace tilted his head up to listen. I had no Idea what he meant. Horace said, okay. Near the end of the show Horace started to play “Too Hot” in his solo, and it fit perfect. After the tune finished, Horace stood up and was handed what looked like a ten dollar bill from one of the horn players and stuck it in his pocket. I guess they had a bet if he could somehow work that tune into his solo.

How do get that from him? He doesn’t appear to be money hungry. Yeah, he has had a stella career in terms of success and realities, but goes hand in hand with being a good business man. He owns the rights to all but 3 of his compositions. He's made enough money where he doesn't need to tour.

6 days till the web site goes live. Can't wait to see what it will have.

Just wondering if anyone here has ever attended this festival. Gene Harris Jazz Festival. The annual Gene Harris Jazz Festival is a tribute to the late Gene Harris who inspired audiences and young musicians throughout his long and distinguished career. The Thursday downtown Club Night features nine venues with national and local jazz artists. Saturday evening's Gene Harris Family and Friends concert at the BSU Pavilion honors Gene Harris' memory. Student competitions and clinics are held on the Boise State campus throughout the Festival. For information on student clinics call 208-426-1772. Festival tickets available through Select-a-Seat at 208-426-1766. Boise, ID

Ouch!. Been there.

Poor whale didn't make it.

No, I couldn't get them working there either. Not a big deal, I burrnt a copy of them and that works in my car and PC. Odd.

For the first time in unknown number of years, there were probably 2 jazz CD's that had nice sales. Any idea how many the Diz and Bird CD sold so far and the Monk and Trane CD? Last I heard the Monk and Trane had sold over 45,000 copies.

I hope they don't put it down. Man there has to be a way to get it back to the ocean.

I have been a memeber of a forum that is job releated that you can't google and find. It goes through a VPN.

My mother threw out my stash of baseball cards. After I moved out in 1991 I went back later on to get them. She told me she thought I didn't want them anymore so she tossed them in the trash. I don't think I had a million dollars worth of valuable cards like this guy, but rookie card of Tom Seaver, Nolan Ryan, Reggie Jackson to name just three would have been worth something.