Tim McG

Niners are trading up in the draft. Here's hoping they get some DBs who can actually play the pass

Then make a rule. Otherwise, Steve Bartman fucked his team, but broke no rules. We do follow the rules, don't we? And if that would have been a Marlins' fielder, he'd be a hero to this day, a True Cubs Legend. But oh well about that. Again - if you don't like a rule, that's one thing. But what fans "need" to do is a matter of opinion. What they can do is covered by some clear-cut rules, to be enforced by the umpires, using video replay technology if they choose. So whine all you want about what you don't like. But let there be no mistake - no rules were broken. None. So play ball, and just get over it. I get your point. But as a purest, weather or not the fan has the "right" to the ball is inconsequential. I plunk down some serious cash to see pro ball players perform on the field, not some self-absorbed fan with a glaring need to get a souvenir, or worse, alter the outcome of a game. Fans need to stay out of the way of any ballplayer going for a ball and I don't give two hoots and a holler if the ball is in or out of the boundaries of the playing field. Keep your damn hands off of the ball. Period. Call me spoiled.

Anybody think this didn't affect the outcome of the Cubs season several years ago? The fans need to keep their hands off the damn ball until it is clear the ball in play no longer matters to the resulting outcome of a given game.

#1 - The rule is uniform throughout MLB (and probably minor league ball as well). #2- That rule was not violated, as the ball in question was already over they outfield wall, and therefore no longer "in play" in terms of potential interference. The fielder can rob the hitter of the home run, but the point that it is already a home run means that a fan can not rob the fielder of an out. #3 - If Giants management ejected a fan for catching a ball that was already over the outfield wall, for an action that was in no way a violation of anybody's rule, they would get sued. #4 -"In play" and "a player has a legit shot at it" are two totally different things. Once the ball breaks the vertical plane of the fence/wall/etc., fair or foul, the fan has as much right to the ball as does the player. No exceptions. Obviously depth perception is hard. We need youtube 3D! *Edit - And for the record when I first saw it I screamed (internally) "INTERFERENCE" as depth perception is hard sometimes (plus I root for the 2018 AL West champion Seattle Mariners). But Jim explained it and it made sense. That gif does not show the full view that was seen on TV (the reality of which has since been repeatedly explained, and thank you for having normal-or-better comprehension skills ). It really was nothing controversial at all, just a dazzling play by The Keeper (as far as that type of thing goes...). But here the deal: Guys routinely leap up and grab balls which are over the fence for an out. Hence, robbing the batter of a HR. So the idea that a ball over the fence is an automatic HR just plain isn't so.That was my point. The Giants eject anybody who interferes with the players' ability to catch the ball. Never heard of a lawsuit. A ball caught over the fence is an out. Texas is an anomaly with the two fences on either side of a gap. I think that is an unfair advantage for the home team if this fan is allowed to alter the course of the game. That is not in the spirit of the rules. To wit: All of those were outs and if a fan got in the way of those catches, in my mind, he is violating the spirit of the rules.

Then switch the names. Geez. Like you never made a mistake? Dan called the fan out first [post #97]. Jim merely posted the gif. The last post i wrote was incorrect. Jim was the writer.[i have edited it] Sue me.

I'm with you on this one. Not if he interfers with the play. At ATT, he would have been tossed. Jsnrgy, on 22 April 2013, said: Ok, please pay attention - At TBIA, there is an outfield wall (aka "the fence"). Behind the wall, there is a gap of several feet, then there is a wall that contains the seating, including Greene's Hill. There is a fence up around this seating area as well. The gap is clearly defined as being "over the fence" aka "out of the park" aka not in the field of play. This gap is considered fair game for fan and player alike. That gap is not particularly visible in the gif posted here, but it is visible once you know to look for it. It's pretty common knowledge for anybody who knows TBIA (and has been pointed out in previous discussion here). If the ball clearly/cleanly clears the outfield wall (aka "the fence") in fair territory, as it did here, and is not caught be a defender, as it was not, it is considered a home run. Period. The only way to call "fan interference" is if a fan reaches over the fence and interferes with a ball still in the field of play. This ball was over the outfield fence but not yet in the fan seating area. It was not still in the field of play. If it had not been caught at all, it would still have been a home run. It would have hit concrete and then bounced around like balls do when they hit concrete. Ask yourself this - a manager (maybe even a player?) can ask for an umpire video review to see if there was fan interference or not. It's the ump's final call as to whether or not to go ahead and review, but believe me, if anybody in a Seattle uniform would have had even the slightest notion that the ball was still in play when The Keeper kept it, there would have been a ruckus. And there was none. Maybe a whimper of pain or two, but no ruckus. It was a clear, clean home run, and equally clearly and cleanly, there was not even a wisp of fan interference on the play. It's no different than a foul ball hit into the stands. A fan cannot reach into the field of play to grab a foul ball, but once it crosses over whatever wall or other boundary (visible or projected) separates the field of play from everything else, a fan can do any damn thing they want to, including facilitating the prevention of a catch by a defender. Totally legal, totally legit, and dumbass fans have gotten booed for getting out of the way of an opponent's defender to let them reach up into the stands to catch a foul ball (and for not getting out of the way of the home team's defender). They have no obligation to do any such thing, and a smart fan will do their part to help their team. It's the rules. So if you're telling me that a fan would be tossed from ATT for doing nothing even remotely inappropriate, for not breaking any rule whatsoever, you are telling me that ATT is run by jack-booted thugs who make their own rules as and when they see fit. Is that what you're telling me? *********************************************************************************************************************************** Um. I was agreeing with, Dan. At ATT, if a fan interferes by hindering the player from catching a ball, he would be tossed. I would not tell you a fan would be tossed if he had done nothing. It looked to me, as it did to Dan, that the fan placed his mitt in front of the mitt of the outfielder. If in the Rangers ballpark they have a rule that a catchable ball is not interference if the player has a legit shot at it, then it is a bad rule which needs revision, IMHO. To wit: Rules regarding fan behavior at ATT Park: Interfering while a ball is in play is subject to ejection per Giants management

I'm with you on this one. Not if he interfers with the play. At ATT, he would have been tossed.

Saturday for me, too.

Hope it's a great day

See what I mean?

Time for some Gas-X. Or run support. Or bullpen support. Giants have been stinkin' up the joint for the last couple games. Well, that sucks. Do you at least get radio coverage?

I recommend switching cable companies. We were with ATT [after leaving Comcast; poor service] for 5-6 years. I told them I wouldn't switch unless I got the Giants games. They agreed [i mean, duh...the ballpark is called ATT Park, fer cryin' out loud, right?] but they reneged on the deal and right after the Giants won the 2012 WS. Then they started force feeding us LA crap/soon to be Dodgers games. Ack. Can you imagine? Needless to say, I was LIVID. After trying to explain to the yutz on the phone that LA is some 250 miles to the South of us, the Giants AAA Team is in Fresno [a mere 40 miles from where we live] and that the ATT faceless suits need to take a Geography lesson or, at the very least, buy a map....they refused to budge. The guy on the phone actually thought our zip code was the next one up from LA. I guess in Colorado they don't teach Geography...or logic...or THINKING. So, we switched back to Comcast. The service had vastly improved and we were back in Giants Land BTW...The Dish wasn't an option either. Apparently, they are geographically challenged, too. I mean, when in the hell did LA take up half of the state? Must have been some republican gerrymander thing or something. Idiots.

What Chuck said. Rest in Peace, Pat.

That was a weird one...but the Hunter Pence blast in the bottom of the 9th with 2-out and a 2-strike count was awesome!

Good point about 'live' music. TBH, I would much rather experience any form of Jazz that way. It is, after all, the improvisation which makes Jazz go, yes?

We use a tax guy. Saved us a bundle again this year. Refund is in the bank.

I might suggest that anything you listen more than once after the first time is no longer "new". Having said that, when I revisit recordings I haven't listened to in a great while, I almost always hear something different. But that's just me.

Jonathan Winters was one of my all-time favorite comedians. I am very sorry to see him go. Rest in Peace, Jonathan.

i heard the padre radio broadcast while the event was happening--- they are incompetent homers. i'll have to check the dodger play by play description. Follow my link and the video of the play is there. Quinten didn't even try to get out of the way. What a punk. I'll say this: San Diego fans had better steer clear of LA when the Pads come to town on M-W. It won't be pretty.

OK. This is just dumb. It's April in a meaningless game and Carlos Quinten charges Zack Greinke for an errant ball on a full count? Broke his collar bone. This is one time I agree with the Dodgers: Quinten should not be allowed to play until Greinke can pitch again. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/dodgers-padres-brawl-leaves-zack-greinke-with-a-broken-collarbome-and-baseball-with-a-blood-feud-080441740.html Don Mattingly: "Nothing happens if he goes to first base like in baseball you know you do, because you know he's not throwing at you 3-2 in a 2-1 game. That's zero understanding of the game of baseball. He shouldn't play a game until Greinke can pitch." And I agree.

Actually, in a roundabout way, people do. If you get your access to Fox through cable/FIOS/ DISH, your provider pays Fox a retransmission fee for airing Fox, and where does the $$ come from? Subscriber's pockets Good point.

So, this means people would actually pay to watch that crap?

I won't bet the ranch on it, but they have a better than even chance in my mind. Fair enough. But it broke my heart when the Twinks got him form the Giants. At that time the pitching staff was a shaky bet.

No doubt. Mainly, I wish Joe Nathan was still in a Giants uniform.

A strike? I dunno... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/09/marty-foster-call-joe-nat_n_3042180.html?utm_hp_ref=sports