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Beg to differ. There was nothing temporal about the recognition. It was quite instantaneous. Nearly every jazz fans who heard the LP raved about it. That one plus the BN Village Vanguard LP. I'm speaking from the European perspective. From everything I've read/heard, that was the American perspective as well. There's no way to win in this situation though I know I'm right. Here's why: 1. Who the hell is gonna say they didn't dig it when it first came out. 2. There were surely people who didn't immidiately buy it for one, and didn't dig it for two but stayed in the closet about it. A lot of guys today will please their chums who dig one album by saying oh yeah I dug that album even if they didn't dig it cuz they fear being rejected or ridiculed. I personally love Saxophone Colossus but I gave it to my bass player friend who is about a 5 on the jazz knowledgeability and ability to hear good music scale and he said it was nothing special. Most people can't appreciate the subtleties of Sonny's rhythms or his ingenious style and inflections same way people can't hear Coltrane's supremely superior superimposed changes to any tune he plays on).

Happy voting! Hoping some controversy will brew here.

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Tim Berne will be 49 until Wednesday.....not a terribly great alto player but not mentioned yet...

Did anyone end up going to this?

Man I wanna see this group so bad. I'm in Pittsburgh and they're not even coming close except for my native DC I think. Anyone have any news to the contrary.

What is the current lineup? Anyone know? I know this can be a mammoth band at times and smaller at others. Who are the regulars? Since we don't have many NY people here I will ask over at Jazzcorner as well....

Number 10 is most definately Jon Hendricks among others. Can't miss that voice anywhere! This was a trick by Mike but I did the AMG research. This is the disc

Gotta go with the Trane....

The day Saxophone Colossus came out, it wasn't what it is today. You need to give these things temporal distance (time to settle in to our collective consiousness). Also to make things fair - people under age 50 are not the same generation. You can't say that Mark Turner and David Murray are the same generation of players. So I would rather say under 40 for most of these guys we've mentioned. It takes time to establish yourself. Chris Potter has been making jazz albums with true professionals since 1991 (w/ Red Rodney) and he is still in the Rising Star category in Downbeat - gimme a break. That's the kind of time people need to make it "bigtime" in this business. In ten years everyone who thought David Murray is the best today will think a lot higher of guys like Chris Potter Mark Turner David Sanchez and Seamus Blake.

Check out the Kurt Rosenwinkel album called The Next Step. Great compositions; excellent working group. Another conspicous absence in this thread (and a favorite of mine): Ron Blake. Also check out his own release Dharma Days - also with Rosenwinkel. The two seem to be joined at the hip. And don't forget FLY - the supposedly Turner-led trio with Jeff Ballard and Larry Grenadier on the new and "improved" Savoy Jazz.

Cuz he can't play tenor worth sh*t, IMHO. To back my opinion up, I heard from another musician AND a fan (both friends of mine) who were not together at the time, that at Newport, Ravi was playing tenor and then Brecker got up to play next to him and absolutely put him to shame. Now that's not to say that Brecker wouldn't school a lot of the the guys listed here, but suffice to say that for the rest of the set, Coltrane (we're talkin Ravi here), did not pick up the tenor opting only for soprano (which he proceeded to play the SH*T out of I am told) - they are two entirely different instruments. The only guys who can play tenor and soprano comparably well are Trane, Billy Pierce, Wayne Shorter, and maybe Tim Armacost (but I haven't heard enough).

You don't think anyone mentioned here has serious soul - whose compositions and improvisations don't move people? All due respect Mr. Jazz Producer but you must not be listening.

Jimmy Greene!!!! - 2nd place finisher at the 1996 Thelonious Monk competition. Second place went to Jon Gordon, whom we heard a lot from in the 80s and early 90s but not much since. Greene.... is also incredible on Tom Harrell's Live at the Village Vanguard album and the new one "Wise Children." I have recommended the latter in other threads but you all absolutely HAVE to check this out if only for Greene's tenor, Myron Walden's alto and Xavier Davis on piano and keyboards (clavinet too). Also Ugonna Okegwo is a bad boy. Gil Goldstein's arrangements are nice too. I Greene's latest release on Criss Cross. It features Jeff Tain Watts, Xavier Davis, and John Benitez. Hardcore blowing date - some ballads too.

Tim can play!!!

I just noticed this about a week ago. I was trying to rip David Sanchez' new album Coral to my computer HD from the CD which I bought and it would not rip. Guess I haven't bought anything from Sony in a while..... Thanks goodness they changed it!

Eddie Henderson kills on this. He is too often mentioned under one's breath. He is not only a fantastic trumpet player but he did things the right way. He made a living as a doctor and got out clean to become a jazz musician. His own releases of late are nothing to speak of but put him on someone else's record whether its a blowing date or a concept record and he'll put out.

I was at Tower about two months ago and I happened to pick up the ?recent? RVG edition of this. I wasn't terribly impressed. He sounds very monotonous. His harmonic ideas were almost as boring as Dexter Gordon - it sounded like Dexter playing alto. Maybe I should listen again. I WAS on the road and in traffic when I popped it into my car's player. Give me "Freedom Now Suite" or "Capuchin Swing" any day but I dunno about this one. And I thought Tina Brooks was amazing on it - so inventive while playing on the same songs.

Kenny Garrett is by far the greatest alto player under 50. Put him next to Greg Osby and watch him get burned. I swear. Numerous saxophonists if asked off the record would choose Garrett over Osby. Osby is good but in terms of being able to swing and play the saxophone - Garrett takes all these other guys to school. I saw him sit in with Wynton's sextet at the Vanguard and he totally smoked all those cats. It was like a joke. Listen to him play Bird on Roy Haynes album - he breathes fire. The only guy who comes close is Steve Wilson - and people call him a Garrett clone (what can you do?). Others at the top of my list: Justin Robinson Dave Binney Antonio Hart Miguel Zenon Dick Oatts (he may be over 50) Damn there aren't too many I can name that I really dig that much. And I'm an alto player....

I agree Greg Tardy is an excellent tenor player. My introduction to him were his burning solos on Dave Douglas' Soul on Soul (the Mary Lou Williams tribute from 2000) alongside another tenorist mentioned above - Chris Speed. I just interviewed David Sanchez a week ago for AAJ and I did a mini BFT with him in the hotel and I played one of the songs which Tardy solos on and he thought it was Chris Potter. Again I reiterate - if you're a saxophone player and you hear some hip shit - you're gonna have Chris Potter on your mind.

I have that disc. It's oop. I like Hall alot on it. That disc also has Daniel Sadownick before he was the in-demand auxiliary percussionist he is now. He is part of Nicholas Payton's Sonic Trance and a number of other big name bands. But I digress

I have this CD here. I don't like it very much cuz it's NMCOT but I wanted to know if anyone has heard of this folks over in Europe. It's Caroline Kraabel (alto sax/voice) and Phil Hargreaves (saxes/flutes/voice). CD is new - called "Where We Were: Shadows of Liverpool."

Nice early 80s LP with Terry Silverlight on keys, Kenny Karsh on guitar, and Mike Richmond on bass (yes the same one who plays with Bergonzi and teaches at NYU). other kloss LPs

Chris Potter - hands down. If you're a saxophone player, you've gotta acknowledge at least that he's top 5. But he's my #1. Then Mark Turner, then David Sanchez then Billy Pierce (I think he's still under 50). The King of Denmark thinks so too - youngest musician to recieve the JAZZPAR Prize.

Arnett Cobb - Smooth Sailing nothing strange about instrumentation, but a record that cooks yet no one ever talks about