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Thanks, Bill. I'm laughing my ass off! I see 'em now...

An early Happy Birthday to one of the greats! Mark is a great, generous guy who's always looking to help out. I'd probably give up a kidney for him... Enjoy, buddy!

Thanks for the reviews, gents!

No shit!!! Good one, Porcy...heh....

Ummm, I mean "useful" comments... Seems to me the monos might not be worth the extra bucks they're going for, just because of their current unavailability...at least not the ones after "Moanin'"... Fold-down = BAD

Well, I've only got domestics or JRVGs of all those...or Mosaic for the Rivers...with the exception of the McGriff, which I don't have... Is that one good?

I just looked at all the album covers that All Music Guide has and nobody whizzin' anywhere... What albums are you referring to? Pics? B-)

Whatcha lookin' for?

No comments? -_-

Here's a cut 'n paste of a thread discussing this awhile back on the Steve Hoffman board. Very disconcerting... Sorry for the poor readability, quickie job...but I highlighted the pertinent parts. _______________________________________________________________ BRush Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: LA Posts: 207 Blue Note Records - Stereo Recordings I have been thinking of picking up some of the Classic Records Mono Blue Note 1500 Series. The 1500 series covers the years 1952 to 1958. Some of the titles in this series appear to be Stereo fold downs. I know that John Coltrane's "BlueTrain" was released in Stereo. Does anyone know when Rudy Van Gelder began recording in Stereo, and when Blue Note began releasing titles in Stereo? BRush is offline Report Bad Post Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message BRush View Public Profile Send a private message to BRush Find More Posts by BRush Add BRush to Your Buddy List Old 01-03-2005, 07:05 PM #2 monkboughtlunch Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: dallas Posts: 330 I believe Rudy's first stereo recordings for Blue Note occured in 1957. I think Blue Note began issuing titles in stereo for LP in 58 or 59. monkboughtlunch is offline Report Bad Post Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message monkboughtlunch View Public Profile Send a private message to monkboughtlunch Find More Posts by monkboughtlunch Add monkboughtlunch to Your Buddy List Old 01-04-2005, 08:39 AM #3 poweragemk Fear and Loathing '37-'05 poweragemk's Avatar Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 5,173 None of the 1500 series were originally in stereo, right (though they may have been recorded that way)? I think it was the 4000/84000 series that began the Stereo/Mono dual issue LPs... I'm not sure if 'fold-down' is the right word for any 1500 series titles either. Were these recorded to three-track? __________________ Best, Michael þ poweragemk is offline Report Bad Post Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message poweragemk View Public Profile Send a private message to poweragemk Find More Posts by poweragemk Add poweragemk to Your Buddy List Old 01-04-2005, 08:40 AM #4 Steve Hoffman Daddy Tonmeister Steve Hoffman's Avatar Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, California, USA Posts: 18,797 No, two-track and then redubbed to mono. A hurtful way to do it if you ask me. Even Contemporary Records sprung for dedicated machines, one stereo and one mono for their backroom recording sessions. __________________ SH Steve Hoffman is offline Report Bad Post Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Steve Hoffman View Public Profile Visit Steve Hoffman's homepage! Find More Posts by Steve Hoffman Add Steve Hoffman to Your Buddy List Old 01-04-2005, 09:04 AM #5 RJL2424 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland/Melrose Park, IL USA Posts: 595 Quote: Originally Posted by Steve Hoffman No, two-track and then redubbed to mono. A hurtful way to do it if you ask me. Even Contemporary Records sprung for dedicated machines, one stereo and one mono for their backroom recording sessions. So, does that mean that the original (1959-issue) stereo versions of John Coltrane's BLUE TRAIN and Cannonball Adderley's SOMETHIN' ELSE are closer to the actual two-track master tape than the mono versions are? I asked this question, because later '70s "stereo" recuttings actually folded in the channels. (Booooo!) __________________ Randall RJL2424 is offline Report Bad Post Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message RJL2424 View Public Profile Send a private message to RJL2424 Find More Posts by RJL2424 Add RJL2424 to Your Buddy List Old 01-04-2005, 09:18 AM #6 poweragemk Fear and Loathing '37-'05 poweragemk's Avatar Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 5,173 Hmm...so that "in the room" sound that my original RVG 1500s have is due to (or despite) being redubbed? Were live titles like Sonny Rollins at the Blackhawk and Blakey at Birdland also folded down? I should have picked up that RVG-cut stereo Blue Train I saw recently... __________________ Best, Michael þ poweragemk is offline Report Bad Post Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message poweragemk View Public Profile Send a private message to poweragemk Find More Posts by poweragemk Add poweragemk to Your Buddy List Old 01-04-2005, 10:12 AM #7 BRush Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: LA Posts: 207 I looked over my Lee Morgan and Hank Mobley Mosaic Box sets and from the information on those two sets, Rudy Van Gelder started recording in 2-Track Stereo around BN 1568, Hank Mobley "Hank Mobley". However BN 1560 "Hank" was still a 1-Track Mono Recording. My CD of Sonny Clark's "Dial S For Sonny" BN 1570, states on the back that it is available for the first time in Stereo. Thanks for the help BRush is offline Report Bad Post Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message BRush View Public Profile Send a private message to BRush Find More Posts by BRush Add BRush to Your Buddy List Old 01-04-2005, 06:57 PM #8 Kevin Bresnahan Formerly bresna Kevin Bresnahan's Avatar Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Southern NH Posts: 238 I asked Blue Note's reissue producer, Michael Cuscuna about this and he replied: "Art Blakey - Orgy In Rhythm 3/7/57, was the first mono and stereo session. Sabu 4/28/57 was the second. All studio dates from that point on, up to and including Art Blakey - Moanin' 10/30/58, were recorded on both mono and stereo machines. After that all sessions were recorded in two track and folded down for mono." FYI, with this info in hand, the first session issued in mono that was actually made from a folded-down stereo master was BLP-4004, Art Blakey's "Holiday For Skins, Vol. 1". This also means that there is a mono master for Coltrane's "Blue Train". It was recorded 9/15/57, and if what I've read in the past is true, these mono masters will probably sound better. Supposedly Rudy Van Gelder only had a mono monitor set up during playback. Later, Kevin Kevin Bresnahan is online now Report Bad Post Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Kevin Bresnahan View Public Profile Send a private message to Kevin Bresnahan Send email to Kevin Bresnahan Find More Posts by Kevin Bresnahan Add Kevin Bresnahan to Your Buddy List Old 01-04-2005, 07:17 PM #9 Steve Hoffman Daddy Tonmeister Steve Hoffman's Avatar Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, California, USA Posts: 18,797 First of all, one can clearly hear splices in songs where there is NO actual splice on the mono master tape. This means a redub! Whether he did it from a two-track source or a mono work part, a redub is a redub! __________________ SH Steve Hoffman is offline Report Bad Post Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Steve Hoffman View Public Profile Visit Steve Hoffman's homepage! Find More Posts by Steve Hoffman Add Steve Hoffman to Your Buddy List Old 01-05-2005, 12:14 PM #10 Kevin Bresnahan Formerly bresna Kevin Bresnahan's Avatar Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Southern NH Posts: 238 Steve, I E-mailed Cuscuna to ask him if there was any reason why some of the "masters" now show splices (I assume you are referring to masters you've used) and he replied, "Some tapes exist as original masters. Some were transferred in the '70s and the originals thrown away! It varies and has no logic." That's too bad. Sounds like another "someone at the vault was an idiot" story. Kevin Kevin Bresnahan is online now Report Bad Post Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Kevin Bresnahan View Public Profile Send a private message to Kevin Bresnahan Send email to Kevin Bresnahan Find More Posts by Kevin Bresnahan Add Kevin Bresnahan to Your Buddy List Old 01-05-2005, 06:16 PM #11 BRush Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: LA Posts: 207 Classic Records claims to be using the Mono Masters for the 1500 Series. I noticed that there are some gaps in the series. Maybe the original Mono masters don't exist on certain titles. I'm excited to hear the new Sonny Clark titles on Classic Records, they've just released "Dial S for Sonny" & "Sonny's Crib". BRush is offline Report Bad Post Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message BRush View Public Profile Send a private message to BRush Find More Posts by BRush Add BRush to Your Buddy List Old 01-05-2005, 06:43 PM #12 MMM Forum All Star MMM's Avatar Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Lodi, New Jersey Posts: 3,296 Quote: Originally Posted by bresna Steve, I E-mailed Cuscuna to ask him if there was any reason why some of the "masters" now show splices (I assume you are referring to masters you've used) and he replied, "Some tapes exist as original masters. Some were transferred in the '70s and the originals thrown away! It varies and has no logic." That's too bad. Sounds like another "someone at the vault was an idiot" story. Kevin I think the redubs Steve is talking about are not copies made in the 70's, but Rudy redubbing them back in the day with extra Eq (IIRC probably boosted around 5khz) and I think compression. Correct me if I'm wrong, Steve! __________________ Martin Melucci MMM is offline Report Bad Post Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message MMM View Public Profile Send a private message to MMM Find More Posts by MMM Add MMM to Your Buddy List Old 01-05-2005, 07:05 PM #13 Steve Hoffman Daddy Tonmeister Steve Hoffman's Avatar Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, California, USA Posts: 18,797 Correct. __________________ SH

That sucks! I just got one from 'em a week or so ago...

Last nite: Sam Rivers - Streams - Impulse! Stereo - sounds incredible! Great music... Gary Peacock - December Poems - ECM - US pressing sealed. Wonderful sound here, too... B-)

Received and replied. Thanks, Paul. B-)

Hmmm, don't think it came through, Paul. I'll give it some time, eh?

Best wishes, Lazaro!

Kevin, Some of 'em say Larry Walsh on the jacket, but when you look in the dead wax, it says "Wally." I know I've got one like that... I'm jealous of those 2, Kevin...especially "Blues In Trinity"...definitely a favorite... Hey, here's an idea: You keep the jacket in the frame...sell me the record! B-) ------ Oh, poop! I just won an LT-series "Slice From The Top." Took bad I can't find more of the "Wally's."

PM sent re: McCoy Tyner: Asante - Blue Note LA 223-G Hank Mobley/Billy Root/Lee Morgan/Curtis Fuller: Another Monday Night at Birdland - Roulette/Fresh Sounds 52022 B-)

Well, then someone over there sure know how to do an excellent needle-drop! Cuz I hear no wow & flutter...at all. B-) Thanks for the info, Kevin.

Hmmm, are we sure about all this...? Heck, the copy I have sounds fabulous! Hmmm, I dunno, Kev...The ones I've seen new and sealed were the ones that started this thread and a couple others. They were priced $14.99 and some others $17.99. I'd say there right up there quality-wise with the Classic Records versions that cost $30 a pop! And they're gone! (I mean in general, not the ones that I spotted.) Shit, I just paid $25 each for the Leeway & Procrastinator Conn LPs just now that I found on the way home...they were opened, but mint...I tried talking to the guy, complaining about the price, and he said, "Cuz there so gone!" However, he did cut the price in half of the $5 Pete Townsend/Ronnie Lane Rough Mix lp I was getting... B-)

Also used, but near mint: Osibisa - WOYAYA - a nice German pressing in beautiful shape. There is quite a bit of surface noise in between songs, but once the music starts it completely disappears! And the sound! Oh man, what sound! Incredible presence, and the tonality is just perfect. It's really wowing me... Have you guys ever discussed these guys before? Cuz they're a new discovery for me... B-)

So far I've acquired: Lou Donaldson-Pretty Things Jackie Mac-Destination Out! Big John Patton-Let 'Em Roll Duke Pearson-Sweet Honey Bee All are fantastic! Maybe one more...I can't recall right now...

Ooooooh, I'm so jealous... seriously... where's the "green with envy" smilie? This one, I guess? B-) I'd love to hear those... For real, if anyone knows where to locate any of these I'd be very interested.

What he said...

You'll be sorry... B-)

New and sealed...At a local mom 'n pop store... $15 each + tax + shipping if interested... I have both already, though my SHB has a punch-hole, but is really just fine...I'm not that obsessive... So these are up for grabs! Who wants me to grab 'em for you ? Did I mention that these sound marvelous? B-)