Steve Reynolds

Seconded! Greatest thing I've read in TEN years!!

Btw I am only half joking. It worked with my wife. Live jazz played by the greatest musicians I know with a great drummer in the band. In or out or way way out, it doesn't matter. Again the idea that if the kid doesn't like the old classics at first then he won't like jazz is a flawed thought. Kid or otherwise, some people get into jazz through Mats Gustaffson. A friend of mine came into the music through Brotzmann Not suggesting it is for a 10 year old but Hamid Drake live would work for anyone.

Bring him to The Stone in October and place him 10 feet in front of Hamid Drake Deal will be sealed

My point might be that whether it is a 10 year old or a 20 year old the assumption that the older classics is the way to introduce jazz to a new listener is flawed in so many ways that I won't begin to start to try to explain.

Must have some current jazz

Les Stances a Sophie

I thought it was about drug addiction

Blue Train: Love the Irabagon trio but not sold on the Ullman. That 2 CD set is easily the most disappointing of any of the not two CDs I ordered

Ordered the following: Long Story Short Jon Irabagon Trio with Barry Altschul: Foxy Barry Altschul Trio with Jon Irabagon: 3dom Factor Couldn't wait for the May 16th show. Wanted to wet my appetite for Irabagon with Helias and Altschul Btw Clifford, the Mad Dogs set is a must buy even though it isn't cheap. The sound is amazing and Guy selected primo performances based on listening to most of it a couple of times through.

Respect Sextet: Fred Anderson's 3 on 2 Great 14 minute version. Very unique take on Fred's great composition

Bruce has always been good with me. A few mail orders over the years and when I get to the store, it is a treat.

Certain artists record like there is no tomorrow, certainly most jazz musicians get their music released on independent labels with results that vary wildly. Many have releases on multiple labels. Take a look, for example, at Jon Irabagon's very large discography. He is an active NY jazz musician who is much less well known than Charlap yet he is very heavily involved in recordings, gigs, etc as are many, many other jazz musicians who are rarely mentioned on this board.

Mad Dogs

Joe Maneri retired from playing in 2005 at 78, I believe I think George Coleman is playing right about now at the Jazz Standard Don Van Vliet famously quit music in 1982 I saw Benny Carter when he was 90 and he was pretty damn great. As was Al Grey who was in the band

I will guarentee that Nasheet will be great

and the hatology Maneri discs Dahabenzapple, Coming Down the Mountain and Tenderly are all much better than the ECM or the Leo quartet recordings. the three of them are all of a piece all recorded in 1993 and feature the quartet in great sound and in stunning early performances as I have lived with these recordings over the past almost 15 years, I have to come to believe that these three recordings to my ears are among the greatest free jazz/improvisation recordings made over the past 40 years. Stunningly original, tension filled and still fresh as paint. the 2 CD Leo Trio set recorded in 1998 with Joe, Mat and Randy is another one to look for. I'll be getting the duo set with Mat & Randy on no business - Light Trigger - Mat says it's a good one.

Even though it does inlude Joe, I think Going to Church is a good one to re-visit.

my wife says to me after the first set, she is not sure if she likes the bassist - what is his name Ray Schuller? I said it's *ED* Schuller and I told her he used to play with a guy named Mal Waldron in the 80's and 90's and I told her that guy Mal Waldron was a legend. my wife says something to the effect, well he's a bit dishelved and I don't think I like him......and honestly he was playing the house bass and it was a bit beaten and cracked, and what he played during the first set was pretty OK - but then again, with Mat and Randy in the band, hard road to hoe, I suppose BUT after the second set, she is asking me who else he plays with and I respond that he doesn't seem to play too much these days - and she wonders that it could *only* because he's a bit disheveled.... because for about 5 minutes his singing and humming with his gorgeous somewhat simple lines during a break from the below tune made it just alright to be alive to hear the man who Mal once referred to as the *great* Ed Schuller - something I don't think Mr. Waldron was known to say too often. ok - well GREAT to be alive and hear the masters of their universe.... and that was after the below..... well - about half way through what seemed like would be simply a typically very fine second set the second tune which started out as a somewhat typical slowish dirge with a kinda coolish bass vamp going on, that second tune morphed into a Randy Peterson inspired (as I believe Randy is the one who truly inspires Mat to do things with that little viola that are really not of this world) cataclysm of unexplainable brilliance. by that point, the table in back with the lady we all know was getting loud which inspired the leader to say something to the effect of "we can hear you too", then Mat announced they would play something called "Crazyology", to which Mr. Schuller said, he didn't think he was - or yet,,,, sound like a Charile Parker tune or something, I thought and then... so as they begin, it sounds a little boppish (and I remember maybe they played it or something like it last year with the Quintet), but this time, I almost throught Randy was going to pull an Art Blakey, and then from a zone outside of bebop or bop, he starts droppin his nuclear fucking explosion within the groove and Schuller is playing basically a PC/Sam Jones type of up-tempo bass line - and then...and Mat is simply inventing within a structure improvisations that no human can describe - I'd LOVE to hear a trained scholarly musician type try to describe it - so surely I cannot - no one to compare him to - and it's not just the instrument - can't compare him the Django and Mark Feldman or whoever else plays the vioin or viola...beyond comparison - in a certain sorta way, he is rock star without the star - he plays riffs that could be played over only once, and they might come back once more, but then always gone, always some other avenue that he goes down. it goes beyond that and by the time they cut the meltdown, off, Ed Schuller is humming and singing as I mentioned above. and they end the crazy tune, my friend and I are screaming a bit as it was worth screaming about - and yet that table was still yelling. as an aside. by this point over only a total of about 70 minutes - 40 minutes, Randy Peterson has taken 3 drums solos, the first with 10 minutes of the opening of the first set (the audacity - I don't know I have ever heard that) - and within 2 or 3 monutes in to that FIRST solo, Mat was into it, I was fucking gone AGAIN totally into it - and it wasn't an ego thing - it's just that Peterson is so damn exciting, he generates more tension with whatever the ehll he is doing, he does it with more aggression, more intensity - and the sound and the volume when the little kit explodes is beyond what you could ever hear on any recording of him - even the great Joe Maneri quartet records on hat. so Mat says let's do a 5 minute free piece, it ends up maybe 10 minutes, it's more incredible than even Crazyology, the end, I'm dying, Mat bids everyone a good night, not too short, I want more, more isn't coming, loud lady gives Ed a hug, he might be running away - Mat keeps his cool - he took what was happening and directed something that raised even his level of brilliance in short (15 minute?!?) spurts to the highest level of jazz based improvised music that my ears know to exist - and my wife - no jazz fan, said it was good as ICP - qwhich was the best ever except for Hamid...so she still thinks it would work on TV - even though there were probably 30 of us listening hard last night. on the way home, my wife again asks, how does he get that sound out of that little viola - he's like the greatest guitarist in the world - and indeed he is, he just plays the viola.... and on my birthday, it just brings it ALL back, one see his dad in his smile and in his eyes and his beard, but where he is as far the music is on a different plane that when he played with his dad. This is Mat's music now, it is more beautiful and yet more ascerbic and gritty at the same time today - and as much as I liek the band with a saxophone and/or a piano or vibes, seeing the trio only is the purest way to hear Mat's voice as inspired by the great long time drummerpartner of the Maneri's along with a voice on the bass that just makes it work like it should. Let The Horse Go

no words yet besides that I can tell you that my wife, my pal Travis and myself experienced two 40 minute sets from a few feet away trying to put my thoughts, feelings, emotions and even my physical and primal reactions to whet I heard and saw last night into something that might give someone who wasn't there an idea of what this music that I still call Maneri music is all about.

3 hours! cannot wait, out of work in 15 minutes home to GW bridge - west side hwy - 9th avenue south - to bleeker - find a spot to about 8 feet from the bass drum of the undefinable, irreconcilable, and certainly indescribable might and anti-groove groove of the *great* Randy Peterson.

my favorites are Focus then Anniversary and Serenity

Dunmall-Grimes-Cyrille GREAT!

Dennis or Denis Charles???

Cornelia Street Cafe, NYC my favorite spot you *have* to find them..... well Joe was born in 1927 so maybe a bit later but maybe the late 40's. I have a few Papa Joe stories as well....

Thursday, Apr 25 - 8:30PM MAT MANERI TRIO Mat Maneri, viola; Ed Schuller, bass; Randy Peterson, drums This concert will be the 20 year anniversary of this contrapuntal trio who will be playing a collection of music from their past 3 recordings as well as new material. The trio have worked together over the years to try and push the boundaries of what a jazz trio can be, incorporating fresh ways of interpreting modern classical, swing and other forms of music.