clifford_thornton Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 Streams is a slightly poe faced trio date in Montreux which was briefly on CD. Poe faced? I like this one - wild stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul Stream Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 I'm not really a fan of this album, to my ears Fuscia Swing Song (one of my top 10 Blue Notes for sure) is the ultimate Sam Rivers (just to show you my pretty conservative leanings concerning his output). But basically I just wanted to butt in to say...yeah Cecil McBee is a killer! That BIG FAT TONE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Posted September 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 Cecil McBee is a killer! That BIG FAT TONE! Too bad that tone is reduced to a rubber band in a cardboard box on the RVG (except for the trio track). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Posted September 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 less than stellar execution Listening again, I can't disagree with this assessment. But Rivers' and Spaulding's solos save the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel A Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 Cecil McBee is a killer! That BIG FAT TONE! Too bad that tone is reduced to a rubber band in a cardboard box on the RVG (except for the trio track). It seems that Van Gelder did not always record bassists (or other musicians, for that matter) in the same way. Compare how Ron Carter sounds on earlier Herbie Hancock albums with 'Speak Like a Child', where the bass sounds quite a bit thinner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Posted September 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 Indeed — and even more interesting and/or curious is how Van Gelder recorded the same musician across different labels (Blue Note, Prestige, Impulse!, Savoy) with often surprisingly different results. I do understand that he tweaked his recordings per the producer of the label, and this makes for some unexpected discoveries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 I think this date is a 'reasonable idea' and less than stellar execution. Nice try, but no cigar. I'd say it remained in the can for all the right reasons. Ah, but do you think it should have stayed in the can?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 I think this date is a 'reasonable idea' and less than stellar execution. Nice try, but no cigar. I'd say it remained in the can for all the right reasons. Ah, but do you think it should have stayed in the can?? Yes. The ongoing lowering of standards is unfortunate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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7/4 Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 classy shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmce Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 Date? Looks to be pre-1964, or at least on the dot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 I think this date is a 'reasonable idea' and less than stellar execution. Nice try, but no cigar. I'd say it remained in the can for all the right reasons. Ah, but do you think it should have stayed in the can?? Yes. The ongoing lowering of standards is unfortunate. But aren't "nice try, but no cigar" sessions often more interesting to hear than a lot of competent "same old, same old"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Posted October 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 Here's Sam from 1964: I always thought Dimensions & Extensions was left "in the can" due to economic, rather than artistic reasons — at least that's what Michael Cuscuna has implied over the years. It was considered releasable enough, at some point, to have Reid Miles create a cover. In the last ten years, I've gone through the McMaster, Mosaic, and RVG editions of this album. The new Japanese SHM-CD (prefix UCCQ) trumps them all. Excellent sound on that disc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffcrom Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 I just listened to Dimensions & Extensions (from the Mosaic box) for the first time in a while. I had always enjoyed it, but tried to listen more critically tonight. I still enjoyed it - more as the session went on. I see (hear?) where Chuck is coming from - there are some sloppy ensembles, Donald Byrd probably wasn't the best choice for this date, and there are a couple of comparatively weaker tracks , but I overall I find the music exciting and engaging, even if it's not perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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