John Coltrane/Johnny Hartman SACD

[Bluerein]

Hello all,

just finished listening to this SACD and noticed a strange thing. The supposed superior sounding mono version of the SACD (according to RvG's comments in the booklet) isn't that grealy balanced at all. The left channel has more information than the right (on my system). I have a mono button on my amp and than it's corrected and both channels have the same information. Is this me or do you also experience this. The stereo info is the same as earlier reissues I assume (didn't compare it with the Japanese K2 remastering).

[mikeweil]

The left channel has more information than the right (on my system). I have a mono button on my amp and than it's corrected and both channels have the same information.

Perhaps RVG's hearing loss is greater on one ear .....

[Kevin Bresnahan]

I'm looking forward to hearing this. Unfortunately, when I brought it home the other day from the store, my wife grabbed the bag and launched off on me about buying myself discs too close to Christmas. This disc, along with Joe Henderson's "Lush Life" and Derek & the Dominoes "Layla" are now all wrapped up in Christmas paper.

Mono should be mono. Chances are that there aren't any mono DSD mastering benches and somehow the machine wasn't balanced. I'll check it out.

Have you noticed a difference in any other mono discs? It could possibly be your player.

Kevin

[Bluerein]

Yes I have other mono SACD's (Analog Productions, MoFi, Fantasy, Delta and Japanese Verve's) and they are fine so it should not be my player.

Edited November 26, 2004 by Bluerein

[GregK]

I'm looking forward to hearing this. Unfortunately, when I brought it home the other day from the store, my wife grabbed the bag and launched off on me about buying myself discs too close to Christmas. This disc, along with Joe Henderson's "Lush Life" and Derek & the Dominoes "Layla" are now all wrapped up in Christmas paper.

you're going to really like the Layla disc! I got it last week, and have listened to it a lot since then. Very nice detail in the guitars. I don't really care for surround, but I did listen to that layer once and noticed the vocals isolated in the center channel, where you can really hear just how pained Clapton was, particularly on I Looked Away. When it is just his voice with nothing else in the same channel, the first thing that struck me was how he sounded so hurt. Nice echo around his vocals too. I haven't had time to listen for his and Allman's guitars in surround yet

[Kevin Bresnahan]

you're going to really like the Layla disc! I got it last week, and have listened to it a lot since then. Very nice detail in the guitars. I don't really care for surround, but I did listen to that layer once and noticed the vocals isolated in the center channel, where you can really hear just how pained Clapton was, particularly on I Looked Away. When it is just his voice with nothing else in the same channel, the first thing that struck me was how he sounded so hurt. Nice echo around his vocals too. I haven't had time to listen for his and Allman's guitars in surround yet

I can't wait to hear this myself. The funny thing is, I bought these discs because the store that had them was selling them cheap... $12.02 each. I couldn't pass that up. I can still buy almost all of the latest SACDs for $12.02 from Bull Moose. I may still go back and get the other 2 Clapton discs or maybe one or two of the Elton John discs.

[porcy62]

I may still go back and get the other 2 Clapton discs or maybe one or two of the Elton John discs.

Elton John?

[GregK]

I can't wait to hear this myself. The funny thing is, I bought these discs because the store that had them was selling them cheap... $12.02 each. I couldn't pass that up. I can still buy almost all of the latest SACDs for $12.02 from Bull Moose. I may still go back and get the other 2 Clapton discs or maybe one or two of the Elton John discs.

Are you interested in or have you heard the Allman Brothers SACDs? Fillmore East and Eat a Peach sound very nice!!

[Kevin Bresnahan]

I may still go back and get the other 2 Clapton discs or maybe one or two of the Elton John discs.

Elton John?

"Goodbye Yellow Brick Road" is artistry at its highest level... even if you don't like Elton the person, you have to give it to him as a musician for this date. I actually play the SACD of GYBR quite often. I am less a fan of his other sessions which is why I didn't buy any the other day. I hear "Honky Chateau" is a good one.

Later,

Kevin

[Bluerein]

are we getting a little sidetracked here....................(Elton John, Alman Bros. Clapton) For another topic I guess.

[porcy62]

"Goodbye Yellow Brick Road" is artistry at its highest level... even if you don't like Elton the person, you have to give it to him as a musician for this date. I actually play the SACD of GYBR quite often. I am less a fan of his other sessions which is why I didn't buy any the other day. I hear "Honky Chateau" is a good one.

Later,

Kevin

I like him as a person, I find him a nice and funny guy. I don't like his music, actually I always dismissed it as "too sweet", never cared for it, but I will try to find a vinyl copy of the recorder you named.

[GregK]

are we getting a little sidetracked here....................(Elton John, Alman Bros. Clapton) For another topic I guess.

what's the problem?

[couw]

are we getting a little sidetracked here....................(Elton John, Alman Bros. Clapton) For another topic I guess.

what's the problem?

do you like cauliflower?

[Bluerein]

No problem at all just not for this topic. Any discussion about music is good but please start another topic with this.

[GregK]

are we getting a little sidetracked here....................(Elton John, Alman Bros. Clapton) For another topic I guess.

what's the problem?

do you like cauliflower?

what's this have to do with Coltrane/Hartman? Please start another topic

[couw]

are we getting a little sidetracked here....................(Elton John, Alman Bros. Clapton) For another topic I guess.

what's the problem?

do you like cauliflower?

what's this have to do with Coltrane/Hartman? Please start another topic

thank you

[GregK]

are we getting a little sidetracked here....................(Elton John, Alman Bros. Clapton) For another topic I guess.

what's the problem?

do you like cauliflower?

what's this have to do with Coltrane/Hartman? Please start another topic

thank you

No, thank you

[Bluerein]

If I may ask how old are you GregK?

[J.A.W.]

If I may ask how old are you GregK?

Check out his profile.

[Bluerein]

strange.....should be old enough not to behave so childish......

[Kevin Bresnahan]

Reinier, do you have the Mobile Fidelity CD of this date? I have read that the MoFi CD sounds much better than any other version out there until this SACD version came out. I was wondering if you agree.

Am I the only one surprised that by the time of this session, Impulse! was still making mono masters? I would have thought that by 1963 most companies were using the stereo master and simply mixing the 2 channels together for their mono release.

Later,

Kevin

[Claude]

What about the Rudy remaster sound on this SACD? Do the cymbals sound as trebly as on "A love supreme" and the Blue Note RVGs?

[GregK]

What about the Rudy remaster sound on this SACD? Do the cymbals sound as trebly as on "A love supreme" and the Blue Note RVGs?

I'm not sure I hear "trebly cymbals" on the Love Supreme SACD- do you have a high-end system? Mine is NOT high-end, so I may just not be able to hear what you're referring to on my system

[Claude]

I think my system is high end and my ears are OK.

What I hear on the "Love supreme" SACD (remastered by RVG) as compared to the previous 20Bit Impulse! CD and a 70's LP reissue, is that on the right channel treble has been boosted, in order to make the cymbals sound brighter. As a consequence, tape hiss is also louder on that channel.

In my view, this sort of sound manipulation is completely unnecessary, but unfortunately that´s RVGs trademark, also on his Blue Note CD remasterings. The "Love Supreme" SACD sounds good, but I could do without this "tweaking".

[Shrdlu]

I am more than happy with the stereo U.S. CD of Trane with Hartman. Sounds great, to me. My LP was stereo, too. I don't think I've ever heard that album in mono. When it was first released, stereo had just about completely taken over.

Rudy has a bit of a bee in his bonnet about mono, especially for the Hackensack recordings. I like the stereo versions of those, and was surprised to hear that they are not considered to be well mixed or balanced.