PINK FLOYD FANS?

[JohnS]

Just a passing aside to this thread. I don't want to spoil the warmness.

I got to see Pink Floyd, cheesy light show and all, around 1970 at London's Queen Elizabeth Hall. a journalist friend who was reviewing the gig took me along - I wouldn't have gone otherwise. I was already a confirmed jazzer and I didn't think too much of it. The only thing that sticks in my mind was the distribution of cut daffodils at the end of the concert. It was around Easter so maybe that explains it.

[Kevin Bresnahan]

Has anyone ever played "Dark Side of the Moon" while watching "The Wizrd of Oz"? That, to me, would be a real Pink Floyd fanatic. Of course, by my own definition, I would be excluded.

I've often wondered how stoned one would have to get before all the "coincidences" between the music and what Dorothy does became apparent? I imagine if I got stoned enough, I could play any album and it would match up weirdly with the flying monkeys.

BTW, does anyone know what song lines up with the flying monkeys?

Kevin

Edited July 9, 2005 by Kevin Bresnahan

[Guy Berger]

dear kevin, the only money i spend is for blank CDs.  i am not buying anything illegal.

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Oh sorry, you're illegally downloading boots... that makes it all right then. I forgot that any music downloaded is automatically perfectly legal.

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Floyd releases this material officially, I buy it. Until then, this is a victimless crime.

Unrelated, but (re: earlier comment) the Floyd bootleg I was listening to earlier has EXCELLENT sound. A terrific version of "Echoes", and two different performances of the unreleased "Embryo".

Guy

[Quincy]

yaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn

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Psssssst. Guy, you're supposed to call them "private tapes." Then it's OK.

akanalog passed along some goodies, here's a couple more though I'm not sure they're on Dime at the moment (been camping for a few days so I'm behind.)

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Fillmore West

4-29-70

1. Grantchester Meadows >

2. Astronomy Domine

3. Cymbaline

4. Atom Heart Mother

5. Embryo

Disc 2

1. Green is the Colour

2. Careful With That Axe, Eugene

3. Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun

4. A Saucerful of Secrets (1st Encore)

5. Interstellar Overdrive (2nd Encore)

Exceptionally good sounding board. A DVD is out there as well. I gave mine away as since there's no volcano to watch it's dreadfully dull viewing. The CDs (which I obviously held on to) without the visuals are terrific though.

This one is pretty darn good too:

Concertgebouw, Amsterdam

9-17-69

Part 1 - The Man

01. Introduction 1:00

02. Daybreak 8:11

03. Work 3:53

04. Tea Time 3:34

05. Afternoon 5:13

06. Doing It 4:03

07. Sleep 4:37

08. Nightmare 9:14

09. Daybreak (Part 2) 1:21

Total Time: 41:06

Part 2 - The Journey

01. The Beginning 4:55

02. Beset By The Creatures Of The Deep 6:26

03. The Narrow Way 5:12

04. The Pink Jungle 4:47

05. The Labyrinths Of Auximenes 6:38

06. Behold The Temple Of Light 5:31

07. The End Of The Beginning 6:54

Total Time: 40:23

Comment The most famous of The Man and The Journey performances.

There's a pre-FM of this that sounds great.

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Apologies if one or both of these was mentioned and I missed it. I'm running on very little sleep after camping & hiking for a couple of days. All that fresh air has made me loopy.

Edited July 8, 2005 by Quincy

[Quincy]

i am a 27 year old jewish guy with a little keyboard.  none of my friends give a damn about jazz or spacey krautrock.  i think the music i play sucks.  i guess i am doing it for the girls and for the money though it isn't like we have had any success.  it is also a good reason to get out of the apartment and get drunk a few times a week when i go to practice.  it is a social thing.

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Ya know, you have the makings for a great rock song here...

[Big Al]

Well, this is why I love CD-burning software. I went & bought ANIMALS & WYWH, so’s to keep everything legit, and then copied the following to my hard drive:

Shine on You Crazy Diamond, Parts I-V

Wish You Were Here

Shine on You Crazy Diamond, Parts VI-IX

Pigs on the Wing (Part One)

Dogs

Sheep

Pigs on the Wing (Part Two)

I then broke up the longer songs into sections (or smaller songs) that start at a point I would normally fast-forward to in the song (i.e. it allows me to skip over parts I would normally skip anyway, like the five-minute interlude in “Dogs” where the word “stone” is repeated over and over).

So now, these songs are much more enjoyable!

[J.A.W.]

dear kevin, the only money i spend is for blank CDs.  i am not buying anything illegal.

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Oh sorry, you're illegally downloading boots... that makes it all right then. I forgot that any music downloaded is automatically perfectly legal.

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In my opinion boots shouldn't be discussed on Org at all. They're in the same category as the CDRs Jim is talking about here.

Edited July 8, 2005 by J.A.W.

[Jazzmoose]

I agree. Discretion, guys...

[Quincy]

I dunno, we talk about unreleased live '67 Miles recordings, the Coltrane tree, rare Woody Shaw recordings, etc. etc.

I suppose those are more fair game to talk about as this is a jazz board (or is it a political board with a jazz section?)

Granted it was months ago that I read the thread about CD-R trading, but I thought sharing information about recordings was OK. If trades are being made I don't see any happening out in the open.

[RDK]

I dunno, we talk about unreleased live '67 Miles recordings, the Coltrane tree, rare Woody Shaw recordings, etc. etc.

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Yep, but as you noted above, we call those "private tapes," which makes it okay.

[Kevin Bresnahan]

Rumors are strong that Pink Floyd's "Wish You Were Here" will be coming out on SACD by early next year. This would be fantastic as it's my favorite session and one that could sound awesome in multi-channel. Like "Dark Side of the Moon", it too was released as a quadraphonic LP back in the 70's. However, unlike "Dark Side of the Moon", "Wish You Were Here" was recorded in quad! I imagine that if they use those original quad masters, we'll be in for a sonic treat!

Am I the only one who digs "The Wall"? Sometimes I think so. Maybe it's because it was released during my senior year of high school? Maybe it's because "Comfortably Numb" is such a phenomenal song? Whatever... you have to like a band that puts a secret message in a song called "Empty Spaces".

Later,

Kevin

[RDK]

Rumors are strong that Pink Floyd's "Wish You Were Here" will be coming out on SACD by early next year. This would be fantastic as it's my favorite session and one that could sound awesome in multi-channel. Like "Dark Side of the Moon", it too was released as a quadraphonic LP back in the 70's. However, unlike "Dark Side of the Moon", "Wish You Were Here" was recorded in quad! I imagine that if they use those original quad masters, we'll be in for a sonic treat!

Am I the only one who digs "The Wall"? Sometimes I think so. Maybe it's because it was released during my senior year of high school? Maybe it's because "Comfortably Numb" is such a phenomenal song? Whatever... you have to like a band that puts a secret message in a song called "Empty Spaces".

Later,

Kevin

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Would love to hear WYWH in SACD surround - the DSOTM SACD is great. They probably won't use the quad masters, though, but instead remix it. Don't know why, but they haven't done that for any other quad titles.

The Wall as a senior in high school? Kevin, we must be the same age. I remember getting it for X-mas (1979?) and playing it so often that i really got sick of it. I've never had as much appreciation for it since.

Meddle, however, might be my favorite PF album...

[Kevin Bresnahan]

The Wall as a senior in high school?  Kevin, we must be the same age.  I remember getting it for X-mas (1979?) and playing it so often that i really got sick of it.  I've never had as much appreciation for it since.

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I still have my vinyl copy. It's one of the very few LPs I kept during the "great purge" of the 80's. I played it the other day and I still think the CD version I have sounds much better.

I think the reason so many people got sick of this title is because FM radio stations played it non-stop. well, that and the fact that the songs' lyrics make you want to jump off a bridge! Oh yeah, and it accompanied a truly twisted and crappy movie.

Anybody ever visit this page? Someone went through the trouble to put up the secret message (forward and backward). I never realized it was "Chalfont". I thought it was "Chelmsford", but then again, I had to rely on spinning the LP in reverse. Hard to get good fidelity that way!

Later,

Kevin

[Use3D]

In my opinion boots shouldn't be discussed on Org at all. They're in the same category as the CDRs Jim is talking about here.

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Talking about owning boots or downloading is okay, but no public links to pirated music or open trading of bootlegs. If you want to trade boots with someone do it over PM.

[Soul Stream]

How much weed does the average Pink Floyd fan smoke per day? :rsly:

[j lee]

In my opinion boots shouldn't be discussed on Org at all. They're in the same category as the CDRs Jim is talking about here.

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Talking about owning boots or downloading is okay, but no public links to pirated music or open trading of bootlegs. If you want to trade boots with someone do it over PM.

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So if I wanted to start a thread about in order to elicit opinions about the playing of Lennie Tristano on the CBS "Look Up and Live" broadcast of 1964, at heh, that would be OK, provided I didn't mind the usual grousing from those who don't agree the material is worth checking out?

Edited July 8, 2005 by Use3D

[Big Al]

How much weed does the average Pink Floyd fan smoke per day? :rsly:

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Four: one to hold the bong, three to say how cool Floyd is!

Oh wait, wrong joke!

[Use3D]

So if I wanted to start a thread about in order to elicit opinions about the playing of Lennie Tristano...

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No, unless it was made to be freely distributed...and next time ask me in PM BEFORE posting the link to said material..sheesh. B3-er and I have yet to lay down some ground rules regarding all this. Until then I'm judgin' stuff at my discretion.

What I meant about 'talking' was in any discussion someone could say 'oh well I downloaded such and such and here's what I think' or 'my bootleg of such and such only has these tracks' and so forth. Just don't be specific and start naming locations or sites for downloading, methods or software, that kind of thing.

[Guy Berger]

Am I the only one who digs "The Wall"? Sometimes I think so. Maybe it's because it was released during my senior year of high school? Maybe it's because "Comfortably Numb" is such a phenomenal song? Whatever... you have to like a band that puts a secret message in a song called "Empty Spaces".

Can't listen to the Wall anymore (which is OK, because between the ages of 14 and 18 I heard it hundreds of times). Waters's whining voice just bugs the crap out of me, and even some of the better music just doesn't need to be heard anymore. Stuff I still like almost enough to listen to again: "Mother" (best tune on disc 1), "Goodbye Blue Sky", "Nobody Home", "Is There Anybody Out There", "Comfortably Numb" (though this one I can fast forward through mentally ). Side 2 (after GBBS) is pretty bad, and side 4 (after RLH) is awful. "The Trial" is just plain embarrassing. Even when I was 14, I knew it was terrible.

Guy

[Kevin Bresnahan]

Funny how everyone has their own turn-ons/turn-offs for this stuff.

I agree that side 4 of "The Wall" rarely made it to my turntable back in its heyday. However, with the advent of CD, I found myself spinning disc 2 (for "Comfortably Numb") and actually liking it a lot more. It's really one continuous piece. I think the flow gets interrupted by the LP. When I hear it on CD, it just fits together better. Side 4, including "The Trial", is the finale.

Of course, the best is where the whole thing ends with someone saying "Isn't this where..." with the obvious tie-in to the first words of the record, which were "... we came in".

Now, my fellow Floyd fans, could all of you do me a favor? I once owned the first US edition of Floyd's "Wish You Were Here". Even though it was the first CD version sold here, the CD itself was made and printed in Japan.

I really, really want to get this again so I can compare it to the other versions. I am still kicking myself for giving this away... to who, only my dead brain cells know. Probably too much wine.

This version is unique in that when you put it into a CD player, the display only shows 2 tracks instead of 5. They basically break the LP into sides with index marks (like any player today has an index function!) for the tracks. The disc will have numbers on the inner ring that will say 35DP-4 in them. This is version I am looking for.

A description from a post on another forum describes it this way:

"The Japanese CBS/Sony plant pressing with catalog number CK 33453 (again, divided into two tracks) is found with either "CSR COMPACT DISC" repeating in the clear plastic ring or "MANUFACTURED BY CBS/SONY RECORDS INC." stamped on it. The matrix code is in a neat font and has the original Japanese CBS/Sony catalog number "35DP-4" in it. The back insert does not have "Now Made In The U.S.A." above the barcode."

If anyone visits their local used CD shop and finds this, I'll make it worth your while.

Later,

Kevin

[Big Al]

I have really been digging WISH YOU WERE HERE lately. I was in a Half-Price Books the other day and found a book on Pink Floyd, skimming through the pictures and stuff, and read about WYWH. All the members commented on what a “sad” album this is, and though I’d never really thought of it as such, it is definitely their most melancholy album.

So I was at Fry’s last night (in the continuing quest for the right power-supply/motherboard combination; these folks know me on a first-name basis now) and right by the computer stuff, they had a computer playing highlights from Live 8. It just happened that the Floyd portion of the show was playing, so I watched it a while. When they played “Wish You Were Here,” it struck me as sadly/bitterly ironic that here are Gilmour and Waters harmonizing on a song originally intended for a former band member (Syd), but could just as easily be about the two of them. Especially when they came to these lines:

We’re just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl, year after year

Running over the same old ground; what have we found? The same old fears.

Wish you were here.

I don’t know about y’all, but it sure seemed like Waters voice was cracking through a lot of that.

Melancholy, indeed.

[Guy Berger]

I don’t know about y’all, but it sure seemed like Waters voice was cracking through a lot of that.

That might just be because his voice is completely gone at this stage.

[Guy Berger]

Woohoo -- I listened to the 90 minute The Man & The Journey suites today for the 1st time. Very cool!

Guy

Edited July 13, 2005 by Guy

[Matthew]

There was an earlier question of Echoes / 2001, here's how it's done from Pink Floyd on-line:

How to do it:

The set up is very simple: pause 2001 just before the title frame for "Jupiter & Beyond the Infinite," pause Meddle at the beginning of "Echoes," and unpause both audio and video at the same time. The beginning of the title frame should corresponds exactly with the first "ping" of "Echoes." Some verteran synchers also believe that placing this initial ping a second or two before the appearance of the JaBtI title brings slightly better results. In either case, "Echoes" and the 2001 movie as a whole should essentially end at exactly the same time. As far as I know, unlike the components of "Dark Side of the Rainbow," there are no variant versions of 2001 or "Echoes" to complicate matters here.

What to look for:

As soon as the song "Echoes" is played and the "Jupiter And Beyond The Infinite" title card pops up, a ping will sound. This pinging sound will ring once every few seconds for the first 1:20 or so. The music will slowly start to fade in after ten seconds or so. It is very eerie-sounding - as synthesizers slowly build, and eventually a mellow, slow guitar riff comes into play.

As all this psychedellic, mellow music builds up the images on the screen are of the monolith floating around in space while the outstanding special effects show the planets in the background. The sense of limitless space is evident, and the music only enhances that feeling.

LYRICS/IMAGES/INTERPRETATIONS:

The lyrics begin at 2:57. Here is a line-by-line breakdown and my own personal interpretations.

LYRICS: "Overhead the albatross hangs motionless upon the air" IMAGE: The camera pans across the vast space background. INTERPRETATION: Obviously the albatross represents the monolith - which is, as the song says, hanging motionless.

LYRICS: "And deep beneath the rolling waves/In labyrinths of coral caves/The echo of a distant time/Comes willowing across the sand" IMAGES: The monolith continues to float around in space as the camera pans towards the Discovery ship. INTERPRETATION: The references to the ocean might be a comparison of the vastness of the ocean and the even more vastness of space. "The echo of a distant time" might refer to the monolith - as we know the monoliths have been appearing to Earthlings since evolutionary times. "Willowing across the sand" seems to symbolize the tiny little spaceship slithering across the vastness of space like a worm through sand.

LYRICS: "And Everything is green and submarine" IMAGE: The Discovery. INTERPRETATION: "submarine" is obviously the spaceship Discovery - as a submarine explores the water, this machine explores space.

LYRICS: "And no one showed us to the land/And no on knows the where or whys" IMAGE: images of the monolith and Bowman's pod heading for it. INTERPRETATION: The lines might be something that the humans who discovered the monolith might say - "whoever put these monoliths here didn't tell us why, but we're figuring it out."

LYRICS: "But something stirs and something tries/And starts to climb towards the light" IMAGES: The monolith flying upward while the camera pans over to the Discovery. INTERPRETATION: Could mean two things simultaneously: 1) The monolith (not sure what it is, which is why it is referred to as "something") begins to gain momentum and moves from the bottom of the screen to top, and continues to move. The light it's moving to might be the light show that soon occurs. 2)Symbolic of how insignificant Bowman and his pod is (just "something"), and it is heading towards the monolith - as a subject might approach its savior and/or like a moth to a lightbulb.

LYRICS: "Strangers passing in the street/By chance two seperate glances meet/And I am you and what I see is me" IMAGE: Bowman's pod heading straight towards the camera. INTERPRETATION: The monolith and Bowman might be the two strangers who have just happened to run into each other. There's so many people in the world that the huge population and all the individual traits each person has might be compared with the vastness of space. "And I am you..." - I'm positive this is a reference to the later section of the film in which Bowman sees himself as an old man in the "hotel room," however, I believe that somehow this second verse was switched with the fifth verse. The "Through the window... a million bright ambassadors" lines would seem more appropriate at this time. Either way, this still is a thoughful, poetic line.

LYRICS: "And do I take you by the hand/And lead you through the land/And help me understand the best I can" IMAGE: The monolith disappears. INTERPRETATION: "Take you by the hand" - what the monolith might be saying to Bowman - to take him on a tour of the monolith's home land. "And help me understand...." what both the monolith and Bowman might say to each other - to learn more about each other. As Bowman was sent to study the monolith, the monolith is a tool to study Earth and its people.

LYRICS: "And no one calls us to move on/And no one forces down our eyes/And no one speaks and no one tries/And no one flies around the sun" IMAGE: The camera pans up and the light show begins just as the last word of the last line is sung. INTERPRETATION: "no one calls us to move on... forces down our eyes" - sounds like something two children might say who are so excitied about something and can't stop doing what they're doing (as Bowman and the monolith are about to embark on a fantastic journey). "no one tries.... no one flies around the sun" - open to interpretation, could mean just about anything.

Singing ends for the time being as the music becomes more mellow as the light show continues. The sound of the music seems to perfectly match the mood the lightshow induces - exactly like any other movie uses a pop song during any kind of montage.

At the 7 minute point the music changes and becomes driven by organs and drums, just as the light show becomes a series of starry images - the swirling galaxies, the images that look like embryos, the dancing diamonds. The music continues to match the images and mood on-screen until....

At the 10:30 point the music fades out and an extremely eerie, freaky sequence of sound effects is faded in. This transition occurrs as the transitition on the screen is made from the starry images to the ultraviolet images of the alien planet. The sound is no longer rock, but strictly psychedellic, much like the "eeeee"- choir-sung sound on the film's actual soundtrack. Some of the background sounds on the CD seem to synch with the images on screen such as wind, waves crashing, and seagulls as we are shown what looks like the alien planet's ocean.

The eerie sonic sequence lasts until 14:20 when Bowman finds himself in the bizarre "hotel room." The music starts to fade out as synthesizers slowly start to build in the background. It is at this time that Bowman begins to slowly walk around and try to figure out where he is. The sound and music continues to build and the eerie sequence fades out. The pinging noise also occurs. The music comes to a climax around 17:06 when Bowman sees himself in the other room as an old man eating.

At 18:00 Bowman gets out of the chair and looks around. At 18:14 the guitars kick back in as he turns around and returns to the table.

At 19:11 the lyrics come back.

LYRICS: "Cloudless everyday you fall upon my waking eyes/Inviting and inciting me to rise" IMAGE: Bowman walks from the door to the table. INTERPRETATION: This might be something Bowman, as an old man, might be thinking. Perhaps he has been stuck in that room for decades as the aliens' guinea pig?

LYRICS: "And through the window in the wall/Come streaming in on sunlight wings/A million bright ambassadors of morning" IMAGE: Bowman sits down at the table. INTERPRETATION: I believe all three lines refer to the rays of light which brough Bowman from our reality to the reality he is in now. It is possible this entire verse was switched with the second verse.

LYRICS: "And no one sings me lullabies/And no one makes me close my eyes/And so I throw the windows wide/And call to you across the sky" IMAGE: Bowman eats his meal. INTERPRETATION: "lullabies" and "close my eyes" might be something Bowman would say since it seems he has been alone for years in just a few seconds. The latter two lines might refer to the monolith - calling to it to do something.

Music continues much like it did during the light show sequence. At 21:18 the music quickly fades out just as the old, dying Bowman points to the monolith in front of him. The music at this point is keyboard-driven, very mellow - as if someone was trying to put somene to sleep (i.e. Bowman dying).

At 22:10 a strange sound, like a jet engine in the distant, starts to fade in, along with the pinging sound again. The image on screen is of the embryonic Bowman. Eventually the music fades out to just the eerie sound effects as the "Star Child" looks at the camera.

Both the song and the movie then end AT THE EXACT SAME TIME.

[Guest]

the new Gilmour solo cd is entitled 'on an island'. one song has vocals by crosby/gilmour/nash-- that should be fantastic. another song has rick wright. other songs are arranged with strings. it is out mar. 6th and there is a european tour for sure, and they say there's a US leg also--but ill believe that when i see it!