Hardbopjazz Posted March 7, 2006 Report Posted March 7, 2006 Anyone know who is on this date with Teddy Charles? August 25, 1960 was the date. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted March 7, 2006 Report Posted March 7, 2006 -Metronome presents- : Teddy Charles New Directions Quartet : Booker Little (tp) Booker Ervin (ts) Teddy Charles (vib) Mal Waldron (p) Addison Farmer (b) Ed Shaughnessy (d) Live, New York, August 25, 1960 Scoochie Warwick LP2033, TCB 1003 Cycles - , - Embraceable you (bl,be,mw out) - , - Blues de tambour (be out) - , - Take three parts jazz (bl,be out) : - , - I Route 4 II Byriste III Father George The confined few - , - Stardust - Quote
Dave James Posted March 7, 2006 Report Posted March 7, 2006 I think this was up for discussion awhile back. If I recall correctly, it was issued twice by two different labels. Don't know the specifics but for whatever it's worth, I seem to recall that one had more material on it than the other. Up over and out. Quote
Fer Urbina Posted March 7, 2006 Report Posted March 7, 2006 Anyone know who is on this date with Teddy Charles? August 25, 1960 was the date. For Teddy Charles do check Noal Cohen's site and discography Wasn't this Museum of Modern Art thing Dan Morgenstern's idea? F Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted March 7, 2006 Report Posted March 7, 2006 Wasn't this Museum of Modern Art thing Dan Morgenstern's idea? F Yes. Dizzy and Rollins each made recordings there. Quote
robviti Posted March 8, 2006 Report Posted March 8, 2006 -Metronome presents- : Teddy Charles New Directions Quartet : Booker Little (tp) Booker Ervin (ts) Teddy Charles (vib) Mal Waldron (p) Addison Farmer (b) Ed Shaughnessy (d) Live, New York, August 25, 1960 Scoochie Warwick LP2033, TCB 1003 Cycles - , - Embraceable you (bl,be,mw out) - , - Blues de tambour (be out) - , - Take three parts jazz (bl,be out) : - , - I Route 4 II Byriste III Father George The confined few - , - Stardust - Stardust is not included on the Fresh Sound cd. It does appear on Lone Hill's Booker Little Featuring Booker Ervin - New York Session and Collectables' Sounds of the Inner City . If I'm not mistaken. some earlier reisssues of this material, possibly released on the TCB label, edited out Teddy Charles' solos, for some strange reason. Quote
brownie Posted March 8, 2006 Report Posted March 8, 2006 Wasn't this Museum of Modern Art thing Dan Morgenstern's idea? F Yes. Dizzy and Rollins each made recordings there. There also was a George Wein and the Storyville Sextet album released on Bethlehem that was recorded at MOMA in the summer of 1960. The Storyville sextet had Harold Baker, Tyree Glenn, PeeWee Russell, Wein, Bill Crow and Mickey Sheen. The album (Metronome Presents Jazz at the Modern) was produced by Teddy Charles and engineered by Peter Ind! Quote
Chas Posted March 8, 2006 Report Posted March 8, 2006 Stardust is not included on the Fresh Sound cd. It does appear on Lone Hill's Booker Little Featuring Booker Ervin - New York Session and Collectables' Sounds of the Inner City . If I'm not mistaken. some earlier reisssues of this material, possibly released on the TCB label, edited out Teddy Charles' solos, for some strange reason. According to Noal Cohen's Charles discography , not only the TCB reissue , but the Collectables and Lonehill CDs contain edited versions of some tracks . Apparently the only complete and unedited CD issue of this session is on a limited-edtion ( 2000 copies ) Italian CD called , ' Booker Little & Teddy Charles Group Live -The Complete Concert ' ( Jazz View 032 1991 ) The Fresh Sounds CD has the unedited tracks but does not have Stardust . The Fresh Sounds vinyl reissue presumably also has the unedited tracks and does contain Stardust as well . Part II of the Take Three Parts Jazz medley is called " Byriste " on the Jazz View CD , but this may be a typo , since other interations of this have it as " Lyriste " . Quote
mikeweil Posted March 8, 2006 Report Posted March 8, 2006 (edited) The Fresh Sounds vinyl reissue presumably also has the unedited tracks and does contain Stardust as well . A look at my copy of the Fresh Sound vinyl confirms that Stardust is included. Sorry but neither LP cover nor label do list track timings, and I don't have the time to check them ... Edited March 8, 2006 by mikeweil Quote
brownie Posted March 8, 2006 Report Posted March 8, 2006 The Fresh Sounds CD has the unedited tracks but does not have Stardust . The Fresh Sounds vinyl reissue presumably also has the unedited tracks and does contain Stardust as well . Part II of the Take Three Parts Jazz medley is called " Byriste " on the Jazz View CD , but this may be a typo , since other interations of this have it as " Lyriste " . It's also spelled Byriste on the Warwick mono original I have. And there's no Stardust on that one either. Quote
Head Man Posted March 8, 2006 Report Posted March 8, 2006 On my copy of the Jazz View CD the tracks & timings are: Scoochie 6:22 Cycles 5:31 Embraceable you 4:44 Blues de Tambour 5:44 Take Three Part Jazz 12:04 The confined view 8:09 Stardust 3:34 Its not one I play very often - the recording quality leaves something to be desired! Quote
JohnS Posted March 8, 2006 Report Posted March 8, 2006 On my copy of the Jazz View CD the tracks & timings are: Scoochie 6:22 Cycles 5:31 Embraceable you 4:44 Blues de Tambour 5:44 Take Three Part Jazz 12:04 The confined view 8:09 Stardust 3:34 Its not one I play very often - the recording quality leaves something to be desired! 'The recording quality leaves something to be desired'. A definite understatement. Quote
bertrand Posted March 8, 2006 Report Posted March 8, 2006 Is the Fresh Sound CD remastered at the right speed/pitch? Does Teddy Charles really talk that way? Bertrand. Quote
Hardbopjazz Posted March 10, 2006 Author Report Posted March 10, 2006 Well I ended up getting this anyway. I should have listen to the board members. The sound isn't too good. Oh well, live and learn. Quote
Chas Posted December 31, 2006 Report Posted December 31, 2006 According to Noal Cohen's Charles discography , not only the TCB reissue , but the Collectables and Lonehill CDs contain edited versions of some tracks . Apparently the only complete and unedited CD issue of this session is on a limited-edtion ( 2000 copies ) Italian CD called , ' Booker Little & Teddy Charles Group Live -The Complete Concert ' ( Jazz View 032 1991 ) Well good thing I said 'apparently' , because there is one other CD which has all seven tracks in unedited form : This CD undoubtedly has better sound than the sonically-poor Jazz View CD . But even better sound isn't likely to change the odd helium-timbre of Teddy's voice ! Quote
clifford_thornton Posted January 2, 2007 Report Posted January 2, 2007 I remember hearing the original LP some time ago (not the crap TCB version) and thought it sounded good. I subsisted on the crap version for a while but have it in mind to get either the original or a worthy CD variant at some point. The music is very good, in my opinion. Quote
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