Boris Rose.

[Hardbopjazz]

Revisiting an old thread from 2 years back. Made wonder has anything new come about regarding Rose's collection? Will these recordings one day find their way to a record company for release?

http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php...20rose&st=0

[Chalupa]

Man, this is weird. There is a Boris Rose recording of Monk up on the Dime right now. Yesterday, I Googled Boris in an effort to find out more about him. Not much to be found. I didn't even think to look here. D'oh!!

Thanks for finding that thread.

[brownie]

Hope those Boris Rose treasures will be unearthed and released by the Andorrans

[brownie]

Boris Rose Lives

A look inside his collection...

From The Wall Street Journal today.

[papsrus]

Thanks for posting the link. Interesting tale.

[Christiern]

I met Boris fifty years ago, when Bill Grauer sent me to his apartment in search of an album's worth of Fats Navarro. Boris' place didn't look as neat as that photo of his daughter in the NY Times piece. I recall it as a fascinating jumble of stuff that one wanted to spend hours exploring. There was a lot of equipment, none of which looked up to date, and tons of acetate discs. I recall that Boris had figured out a way to encode his discs so that only he could copy them. Anyway, I left there with some 1948 broadcasts that featured Fats and Tadd Dameron. It was released on the Jazzland label.

[brownie]

It was released on the Jazzland label.

That one:

I aso have a couple of Boris Rose recordings of the Tadd Dameron ensembles at Royal Roost.

One came out on a Ult-Tadd label, the other on a Sneaker Records label.

Wish I too had been invited to have a look at that Boris Rose place

[sidewinder]

Boris Rose Lives

A look inside his collection...

From The Wall Street Journal today.

Is that a domestic water boiler just to the right of all those acetates/tape reels?

Never realised he was responsible for those Session Disk and Ozone LPs. Still have a few of those around.

"He told me once that he took great delight in confounding collectors and discographers, whom he regarded as the bean counters of jazz."

Edited December 4, 2010 by sidewinder

[sidewinder]

Hope those Boris Rose treasures will be unearthed and released by the Andorrans

Is that the Andorran Andorrans or the ones in Wisconsin?

[mjzee]

The last paragraph is so poignant.

Thanks for posting.

[BeBop]

Thank you for the link.

[bichos]

thanks for the link. so his archive is not lost and it is known where it is. i think i read that nobody knows where his recordings are. call the national jazz museum in harlem. they can make the deal together with mosaic records and issued the entire collection together with the savory collection as a big double box.....

keep boppin´

marcel

[MartyJazz]

I met Boris fifty years ago, when Bill Grauer sent me to his apartment in search of an album's worth of Fats Navarro. Boris' place didn't look as neat as that photo of his daughter in the NY Times piece. I recall it as a fascinating jumble of stuff that one wanted to spend hours exploring. There was a lot of equipment, none of which looked up to date, and tons of acetate discs. I recall that Boris had figured out a way to encode his discs so that only he could copy them. Anyway, I left there with some 1948 broadcasts that featured Fats and Tadd Dameron. It was released on the Jazzland label.

Similar story here. I visited his apartment circa 1970, in the vicinity of 1st Avenue and 10th Street, saw an unbelievable number of tape decks and equipment and left with a Crown playback deck which I still have (although it hasn't worked in years). More importantly, I also left with six acetate discs of Mingus at Birdland (1961-62) from which I made open reel tapes for myself and a Mingus fanatic in England. Indeed these tapes have been the source of all the copied tapes and ensuing CD-Rs that have been circulating the globe lo these many years. BTW, I still have the acetate discs but haven't attempted to play them in years.

Edited December 10, 2010 by MartyJazz

[romualdo]

Just found this footage on youtube with Will Friedwald (looks like it was taken at the same time as the above photos from the Wall St Journal article)

[romualdo]

I met Boris fifty years ago, when Bill Grauer sent me to his apartment in search of an album's worth of Fats Navarro. Boris' place didn't look as neat as that photo of his daughter in the NY Times piece. I recall it as a fascinating jumble of stuff that one wanted to spend hours exploring. There was a lot of equipment, none of which looked up to date, and tons of acetate discs. I recall that Boris had figured out a way to encode his discs so that only he could copy them. Anyway, I left there with some 1948 broadcasts that featured Fats and Tadd Dameron. It was released on the Jazzland label.

Similar story here. I visited his apartment circa 1970, in the vicinity of 1st Avenue and 10th Street, saw an unbelievable number of tape decks and equipment and left with a Crown playback deck which I still have (although it hasn't worked in years). More importantly, I also left with six acetate discs of Mingus at Birdland (1961-62) from which I made open reel tapes for myself and a Mingus fanatic in England. Indeed these tapes have been the source of all the copied tapes and ensuing CD-Rs that have been circulating the globe lo these many years. BTW, I still have the acetate discs but haven't attempted to play them in years.

I presume this material is the source for the recent (2010) 3CD RLR set (Complete 1961-62 Birdland Broadcasts)

[Hardbopjazz]

Rose's daughter's asking price is firm at 1 million dollars for her fathers collection of thousands of reel to reel tapes. Maybe Bill Cosby would shell out the money. He's a jazz lover. I don't know who else would pay that much. These tapes are in a basement in the Bronx. If the damp air doesn't destroy them, the spiders and other bugs will.

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

I met Boris fifty years ago, when Bill Grauer sent me to his apartment in search of an album's worth of Fats Navarro. Boris' place didn't look as neat as that photo of his daughter in the NY Times piece. I recall it as a fascinating jumble of stuff that one wanted to spend hours exploring. There was a lot of equipment, none of which looked up to date, and tons of acetate discs. I recall that Boris had figured out a way to encode his discs so that only he could copy them. Anyway, I left there with some 1948 broadcasts that featured Fats and Tadd Dameron. It was released on the Jazzland label.

Similar story here. I visited his apartment circa 1970, in the vicinity of 1st Avenue and 10th Street, saw an unbelievable number of tape decks and equipment and left with a Crown playback deck which I still have (although it hasn't worked in years). More importantly, I also left with six acetate discs of Mingus at Birdland (1961-62) from which I made open reel tapes for myself and a Mingus fanatic in England. Indeed these tapes have been the source of all the copied tapes and ensuing CD-Rs that have been circulating the globe lo these many years. BTW, I still have the acetate discs but haven't attempted to play them in years.

was it commonplace for acetates to be for sale? just like what he didnt want to keep? or did he actually cut you off your own copies?

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

i love boris rose so much, these lps are as essential as blue note. my latest find was both volumes of the art blakey at birdland, one band is lee and wayne, the other is the MOSAIC band actually doing the title track.

the core of it all is the bird albums, however, that is the core of it. tons of these, tons of these. my favorite being "....featuring a 20 min rendition of Lover Come Back To Me" with Mundell Lowe on gtr! the one i played at xmas was the bing tv b'cast w/ sinatra, he had lots of ones like that too, judy garland, etc. i sometimes pass on the garlands, i might have one. prior to the blakeys, i found a Monk Quartet disc. another collection highlight is the split coltrane/ammons lp w/ side b being a 1970 ammons tv broadcast w/ king kolax on tpt.

[Quasimado]

I met Boris fifty years ago, when Bill Grauer sent me to his apartment in search of an album's worth of Fats Navarro. Boris' place didn't look as neat as that photo of his daughter in the NY Times piece. I recall it as a fascinating jumble of stuff that one wanted to spend hours exploring. There was a lot of equipment, none of which looked up to date, and tons of acetate discs. I recall that Boris had figured out a way to encode his discs so that only he could copy them. Anyway, I left there with some 1948 broadcasts that featured Fats and Tadd Dameron. It was released on the Jazzland label.

Similar story here. I visited his apartment circa 1970, in the vicinity of 1st Avenue and 10th Street, saw an unbelievable number of tape decks and equipment and left with a Crown playback deck which I still have (although it hasn't worked in years). More importantly, I also left with six acetate discs of Mingus at Birdland (1961-62) from which I made open reel tapes for myself and a Mingus fanatic in England. Indeed these tapes have been the source of all the copied tapes and ensuing CD-Rs that have been circulating the globe lo these many years. BTW, I still have the acetate discs but haven't attempted to play them in years.

"was it commonplace for acetates to be for sale? just like what he didnt want to keep? or did he actually cut you off your own copies?"

He had an occasional catalogue you could order in DownBeat. I got his catalogue and simply ordered and received white label acetates of "Bird, Fats, Bud"; the "Lover Come Back to Me" session plus, "Lester at Birdland", "Lennie Tristano 1964 "Let's Look up and Live (side A), LT with Warne Marsh at the Half Note" (Side B)" and others.

Thank you Boris.

Q

Edited February 1, 2014 by Quasimado

[paul secor]

Rose's daughter's asking price is firm at 1 million dollars for her fathers collection of thousands of reel to reel tapes. Maybe Bill Cosby would shell out the money. He's a jazz lover. I don't know who else would pay that much. These tapes are in a basement in the Bronx. If the damp air doesn't destroy them, the spiders and other bugs will.

Unless an individual with real deep pockets - calling Bill Gates - purchased it, it would have to be purchased by an institutuion which could make it available on an individual basis. For a record company, getting releases from all of the musicians involved would be a nightmare.

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

if you could dig up yr old catalgue, it'd be the 1st real thorough boris digscography...

[Quasimado]

if you could dig up yr old catalgue, it'd be the 1st real thorough boris digscography...

Right ... but long gone, in my case. As I recall it was typed, a few pages - he updated every so often. Others maybe have them ...

Chris might know.

Q

[MartyJazz]

I met Boris fifty years ago, when Bill Grauer sent me to his apartment in search of an album's worth of Fats Navarro. Boris' place didn't look as neat as that photo of his daughter in the NY Times piece. I recall it as a fascinating jumble of stuff that one wanted to spend hours exploring. There was a lot of equipment, none of which looked up to date, and tons of acetate discs. I recall that Boris had figured out a way to encode his discs so that only he could copy them. Anyway, I left there with some 1948 broadcasts that featured Fats and Tadd Dameron. It was released on the Jazzland label.

Similar story here. I visited his apartment circa 1970, in the vicinity of 1st Avenue and 10th Street, saw an unbelievable number of tape decks and equipment and left with a Crown playback deck which I still have (although it hasn't worked in years). More importantly, I also left with six acetate discs of Mingus at Birdland (1961-62) from which I made open reel tapes for myself and a Mingus fanatic in England. Indeed these tapes have been the source of all the copied tapes and ensuing CD-Rs that have been circulating the globe lo these many years. BTW, I still have the acetate discs but haven't attempted to play them in years.

was it commonplace for acetates to be for sale? just like what he didnt want to keep? or did he actually cut you off your own copies?

For a set price per acetate disc, Boris would cut single custom-made discs for each customer who would specify in advance the broadcasts of choice. My British friend and I split the cost which, if I recall correctly, came to a total of $180, i.e., $30 per disc at that time. Boris zealously guarded the open reel tapes from which he cut the discs. I wonder if that acetate disc machine that he used is still operable.

[JSngry]

Wow, the concept of "we don't make it until you order it" applied to a "record store" that only cariies bootlegs, that's the hippest thing ever, quite probably.

You get only the FRESHEST records at Boris Rose Records!

[mjzee]

What is that, LP-R?