connoisseur series500 Posted October 13, 2003 Report Share Posted October 13, 2003 I am absolutely stunned by the negative comments about Shades of Redd, All Seeing Eye and Star Bright. Any person with experience playing a wind instrument should be blown away by these discs, let alone listeners. It makes me question WTF you guys listen for. Uh, uh, Chuck. Must be something wrong with my ears; or I'm just an incorrigible music moron. I don't like any of those three! Yikes!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDK Posted October 13, 2003 Report Share Posted October 13, 2003 I don't know if I would actually call them "let downs" since I was never sure what to expect from these in the first place, but there are certainly a few Conns that I like less than others. One thing that also tends to cloud my (our?) objectivity is how hard some of these discs were to find after they went oop. After searching for so long for some of these (or paying so much), one is reluctant to diss them. Anyway, a few that I didn't care for so much... Don Cherry's "Symphony For Improvisers" I like much of Cherry's work, but not this one. I still have it, but rarely play it. Clifford Jordan's "Cliff Craft" Just doesn't do much for me. Freddie Hubbard's "Goin' Up" Some Hubbard I like a lot - "Reddy for Freddie," "Blue Spirits," but otherwies I'm with Lon on this one. I think I have all the Sonny Redd's, and while I do like "Out of the Blue" best of the bunch, none of them really stand out to me. One of the Sonny Clark's does nothing for me either, though I love just about everything else that he did. Can't think of the title right now, but I believe it's one of the Conns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave James Posted October 13, 2003 Report Share Posted October 13, 2003 Ed, Trust me you will not be disappointed by The Golden Eight. Although I hate to admit it, that's the only CBBB in my whole collection. I do have a solo disc by Francey Boland, but that doesn't really count. The guy holding down the tenor sax chair on TG8 is a guy by the name of Kari Drevo. Dusko Gojkovich is on trumpet. I liked Drevo so much on this I went out and found a CD with him as the leader. I may own the only copy of this that exists. Up over and out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man with the Golden Arm Posted October 13, 2003 Report Share Posted October 13, 2003 conn500 you gotta give "shades of redd" a little more love. that's like not liking "jackie's bag". i'm in agreement with roach's "good move" being a bad move...especially after one of the BNBB alphas said it was the greeeazzziest. couldn't get rid of it fast enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted October 13, 2003 Report Share Posted October 13, 2003 The JRVG of The Golden 8 is due out on 22nd October. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.:.impossible Posted October 13, 2003 Report Share Posted October 13, 2003 I'll play. Horace Silver .:. IN PURSUIT OF THE 27TH MAN I don't have much Silver, and I don't really know why I bought this, but I sold it before the 24th hour! Lee Morgan .:. DELIGHTFULEE I still have this because a lot of people seem to like it. I don't know what to do with it. I'm not listening to it, but I'm not ready to get rid of it yet either. What's with the Lennon/McCartney arrangement? McCoy Tyner .:. THE REAL McCOY I listened to this a few weeks ago. It never sounds good to me. None of it. I'm not so sure that I dig Tyner's concept... with Coltrane it seems to be a different story altogether. Stanley Turrentine .:. COMMON TOUCH Whoa. I really wasn't ready for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul Stream Posted October 13, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2003 Ouch. I'm a big fan of "Common Touch." Maybe a little commercial for some. But Bob Cranshaw's electric bass walking on "Blowin' In The Wind" is some of the baddest electric bass walking I've ever heard. Plus this group really grooves imho. Boogaloo is bad and Charlie Brown is happening! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 The guy holding down the tenor sax chair on TG8 is a guy by the name of Karl Drevo. Dusko Gojkovich is on trumpet. I liked Drevo so much on this I went out and found a CD with him as the leader. I may own the only copy of this that exists. You mean this one? Hard to get, but not impossible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 That Drevo is a great CD! I've been enjoying it for years as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 Holy obscurity, Batman B) Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphie_boy Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 I don't really dig Shades of Redd or Out of the Blue either. As for Maiden Voyage, it took me a long time to warm up to it, but now I reach for it pretty often - it's one that definitely grows on you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave James Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 Mike - You're right, this one isn't as hard to get as I may have led folks to believe. Mores the better though...this is one I'd easily recommend. Well worth the hunt. I'm trying to remember where I got mine. I'm thinking Dusty Groove. Up over and out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 (edited) I’ll tell you one date that was a bit of a disappointment to me... I recently borrowed a friend’s copy of the Moncur Select recently, and I was somewhat nonplussed by Jackie McLean’s “Hipnosis” session (which I was hearing for the very first time). I guess it wasn't a 'bad' session, really, but I was somehow hoping for more from it. It is the only date from the Moncur Select that I didn't already have on CD, and I now have to admit that getting the Moncur set specifically for that “Hipnosis” session, is no longer as big a priority for me. I'll probably get the set some day, eventually -- but if I didn’t, I wouldn't loose any sleep over it. Edited December 17, 2003 by Rooster_Ties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
street singer Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 I’ll tell you one date that was a bit of a disappointment to me... I recently borrowed a friend’s copy of the Moncur Select recently, and I was somewhat nonplussed by Jackie McLean’s “Hipnosis” session (which I was hearing for the very first time). I guess it wasn't a 'bad' session, really, but I was somehow hoping for more from it. It is the only date from the Moncur Select that I didn't already have on CD, and I now have to admit that getting the Moncur set specifically for that “Hipnosis” session, is no longer as big a priority for me. I'll probably get the set some day, eventually -- but if I didn’t, I wouldn't loose any sleep over it. You weren't even the least bit moved by the title track to that session? Oh, man...that song just floors me every time!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 Another non-vote for The Real McCoy for the same reasons listed by impossible. And I also never got into Out of the Blue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 You weren't even the least bit moved by the title track to the “Hipnosis” session? Oh, man...that song just floors me every time!! I'm listening to that track right now (it's one of the sample tracks for this set, from the Mosaic site). It's OK, and certainly not any worse than "OK". But that incessant line in the piano just goes on, and on, and on, and on, and on. I mean, I like a good groove as much as the next guy - but this one ain't winnin' me over in as big as way as I was expecting. “Good”, maybe - but not “Great” in my book. (Just my own opinion, and there's lots of room for other opinions besides mine.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nina low Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 My biggest letdowns are Andrew Hill's-Lift Every Voice and Donald Bird's A New Perspective. Would be great to have the music without the voices. I will probably be disappointed with the voice tracks on the Duke Pearson-Mosaic Select also, not to mention the "ten Christmas classics." These are sort of Blue Note reissues, aren't they? Sometimes the letdown is that some of this his being re-issued when musicians like Leo Parker are lost in the ozone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 I will probably be disappointed with the voice tracks on the Duke Pearson-Mosaic Select also, not to mention the "ten Christmas classics." I wouldnt pre judge the christmas tracks too easily - I heard them for the first time when the box was issued & was surprised how good they were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonym Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 Wow, missed this thread back in October.. how??? Well, my two-penneth worth would be Herbie Hancock's My Point Of View. I was looking forward to hearing this, mainly because i love most of his BN output. Then you have the stellar line-up, and the original compositions -- at which Herbie is no muppet -- but... lifeless and unengaging. The ballady track is nice but the album is IMO frankly a bit of a bore. Fortunately, this experience doesn't put me off snapping up old BN's whenever I see them. cheers, tonym Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrome Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 My biggest letdowns are Andrew Hill's-Lift Every Voice and Donald Bird's A New Perspective. Would be great to have the music without the voices. I will probably be disappointed with the voice tracks on the Duke Pearson-Mosaic Select also, not to mention the "ten Christmas classics." These are sort of Blue Note reissues, aren't they? Sometimes the letdown is that some of this his being re-issued when musicians like Leo Parker are lost in the ozone. A New Perspective was one of the first jazz CDs I ever bought, but I had already heard "Cristo Redentor" (it still blows me away) and knew what to expect regarding the voices. The playing is pretty incredible, but I certainly understand how the other stuff might be off-putting for some listeners. My biggest let down has been with a Sonny Stitt two-fer I recently picked up ... "Goin' down slow." The strings on this seem so out of place ... I was expecting something way bluesier that more lived up to the disc's name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noj Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 Hey Chrome, GOIN' DOWN SLOW is on Prestige, not BN. I'm not impressed with Donald Byrd BLACK BYRD. That synth sound is wack! Grant Green AM I BLUE isn't all that great. I didn't dig Herbie's MY POINT OF VIEW all that much either. Funny thing though--I'll keep them all! Is this where that collector vs. listener thing comes in to play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrome Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 Oops, thanks for the corr, Noj. I was focusing more on the "letdown" than the "BN" part of the thread ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrome Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 If I just think about my BNs, the only one that really stands out in a negative way is John Patton's Understanding. I was expecting a typically groovy outing from Big John, but the sax player he's matched with on this date (Hugh Alexander) doesn't do anything for me (except irritate me) in this context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riverrat Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 I'd have to say Blakey's "Meet You At The Jazz Corner of the World"- not because of the music, which is excellent, but the sound quality makes this one almost unlistenable, even on the RVG. I'm not sure why they bothered to re-release this one, especially since it is a more expensive 2-disc set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesbed Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 Grant Green's Am I Blue. When considering the players on this album, and when considering the other work they've done... this set of music offers little to be enjoyed. I mean, John Patton and Grant Green sounding dull and mechanical? How can this be? The scariest thing, for me, is that this album nearly turned me away from Grant Green. I'd heard Idle Moments then purchased Am I Blue with great anticipation. After hearing Am I Blue, I decided (ignorantly) that Grant Green wasn't much of a player. Fortunately, I purchased the other Grant Green RVGs and have come to enjoy and admire Green's playing very much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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