Dan Gould Posted April 7, 2003 Report Posted April 7, 2003 I understand that you've had more experience in this area but your description of how and why people dislocate their shoulders hardly applies to Griffey or for that matter Jeter. I don't think the strength of Griffey's tendons. Anyone who stretches out the way he did and lands the way he did can severely dislocate a shoulder, regardless of the strength of their tendons. Quote
J Larsen Posted April 7, 2003 Report Posted April 7, 2003 I don't know Dan, when I see a guy acquire major injuries in three consecutive seasons I really have to wonder. As far as Jeter goes, there's few shoulders in the world strong enough to sustain the impact he took (I was injuried in an eerily similar way in high school, although the guy I collided with weighed about 100 lbs less). But Griffey has a real history with multiple parts of his body now. I really wonder if maybe after his very first extended stint on the DL he didn't stay on track with his conditioning, and if maybe that's why he was hurt so severly in the first week last year and again this year. I really do feel bad for the guy, so I really don't want to come across like I'm blaming him. It's really hard keeping up a rigorous conditioning program when you're injured. Yet that's what PTs will always tell you to do if you're going to be involved in athletics. Otherwise you're just looking to get injured again. (Which, BTW, I'll admit is precisely what happened to me - I never fully rebuilt my shoulder strength and it came back to haunt me over ten years later when I decided to get involved in athletics again.) Quote
BERIGAN Posted April 7, 2003 Report Posted April 7, 2003 From everything I have heard, Griffey has been working out very hard the last few years...the clip I saw showed Griffey going all out, leaping into the air, and landing on his right shoulder, his glove arm, on the inside of his shoulder(If that makes sense)and it looked like he rolled the arm under his body in a VERY unnatural way...Sad...I would rather see him have the all time home run record someday, but it won't happen if he keeps missing such huge chunks of seasons Quote
J Larsen Posted April 7, 2003 Report Posted April 7, 2003 (edited) He would have had a real shot at 756, but I think he's out of contention now. It's tough for anyone to hit 284 HR at age 33. Of course, if he gets traded to the Astros or Rockies all bets are off. Someday A-Rod will own the all-time record, however, and I think he'll likely be hanging on to it for a while. Edited April 7, 2003 by J Larsen Quote
mikeb Posted April 7, 2003 Report Posted April 7, 2003 FWIW (not much, I know ), I've heard just the opposite about Junior -- his conditioning during the past few off-seasons has left a lot to be desired. Who knows? Maybe the truth is somewhere in-between ... Quote
ghost of miles Posted April 9, 2003 Report Posted April 9, 2003 Matsui with a grand-slam in the Yanks' home opener, baby!!! Go, Godzilla, go! How can you not like the Yanks? They're so international these days. Quote
Big Al Posted April 9, 2003 Report Posted April 9, 2003 Rangers lose. Again. When does football season start? Quote
J Larsen Posted April 9, 2003 Report Posted April 9, 2003 How can you not like the Yanks? You're being facetious, right? Quote
ghost of miles Posted April 9, 2003 Report Posted April 9, 2003 You're being facetious, right? Ah, yep. Well, in regards to other board members anyway--I love 'em. Quote
ghost of miles Posted April 19, 2003 Report Posted April 19, 2003 Checking in on "America's favorite pastime"... and it looks like it's New York & Boston doing battle for the AL East title all the way. Yanks are 13-3, Boston's 11-5... a great season already! Quote
ghost of miles Posted April 19, 2003 Report Posted April 19, 2003 I'd love to see a repeat of the '62 World Series! Quote
J Larsen Posted April 19, 2003 Report Posted April 19, 2003 ... and the NL West is already over. Not so fast! In 1918 the Giants started 18-1, played .500 ball for the rest of the season and finished second in the NL. In 1938 the Giants started 13-1, played .500 ball for the rest of the season, and finished third in the NL. Last year the Giants started 6-0, floundered in late June and July, appeared as though they'd miss the playoffs, picked up Lofton at the last second and barely grabbed a welfare (oops, I meant wild) card spot. I love the Giants as much as a man can love a sports team, but I'm cautious about their hot starts. I'm equally cautious of the Dodgers slow starts - they always seem to turn it on over the summer even if they don't have teh personnel. Quote
J Larsen Posted April 19, 2003 Report Posted April 19, 2003 I'd love to see a repeat of the '62 World Series! Me too. With the opposite outcome. Quote
chris olivarez Posted April 21, 2003 Report Posted April 21, 2003 A friend of mine told me tonight that one of the stats that they keep on pitchers was one called whip and he wanted to know what it meant and I didn't know.If anyone knows what that stat means I would appreciate hearing from you but if you don't feel free to insert joke here. Quote
Matthew Posted April 21, 2003 Author Report Posted April 21, 2003 WHIP comes out of Fantansy Baseball, and it is a stat that tells you the quality of a pitcher. The math is this: WHIP Ratio (WHIP) = (Walks + Hits) / Innings Pitched. How does this work? Say a pitcher went 7 innings and gave up 10 hits and 4 BB's, which adds up to 14. So it's 14/7=2.00whip. 2 is consided bad, anything below 1.2 is very good, with anyone, especially a starter, under 1.00 is fantastic, and the kind of pitcher you would love to have on your team. Makes sense? Quote
ghost of miles Posted April 21, 2003 Report Posted April 21, 2003 (edited) I'd love to see a repeat of the '62 World Series! Me too. With the opposite outcome. Ouch! Pretty amazing so far--the Yanks have the MLB's best record at 16-3, and SF's right behind 'em at 15-3. Edited April 22, 2003 by ghost of miles Quote
Matthew Posted April 22, 2003 Author Report Posted April 22, 2003 Bonds lines out to second -- game and series over. The more things change..... Quote
chris olivarez Posted April 23, 2003 Report Posted April 23, 2003 WHIP comes out of Fantansy Baseball, and it is a stat that tells you the quality of a pitcher. The math is this: WHIP Ratio (WHIP) = (Walks + Hits) / Innings Pitched. How does this work? Say a pitcher went 7 innings and gave up 10 hits and 4 BB's, which adds up to 14. So it's 14/7=2.00whip. 2 is consided bad, anything below 1.2 is very good, with anyone, especially a starter, under 1.00 is fantastic, and the kind of pitcher you would love to have on your team. Makes sense? Thanks Matthew. Quote
ghost of miles Posted May 21, 2003 Report Posted May 21, 2003 Well, the Yanks are starting to hit again, but Contreras gave up five runs in relief tonight--looks like NY is going down to the Bosox and will be tied for first again in the morning. And Pedro didn't even start as scheduled tonight! It'll be interesting to see Clemens go for win no. 299 tomorrow night at Fenway. Quote
J Larsen Posted May 21, 2003 Report Posted May 21, 2003 I haven't been in much of a mood to talk about baseball lately. (If you recall which team I'm a fan of, and you follow the standings, you'll realize why.) Quote
Dan Gould Posted May 30, 2003 Report Posted May 30, 2003 Well, the will they or won't they finally ended yesterday with the trade of Red Sox third baseman Shea Hillenbrand to the D-Backs for BK Kim. I wasn't too thrilled when I heard about it because Hillenbrand led the team in RBIs and was clearly the best first baseman option they had, but Kim is a major upgrade for the bullpen and its clear that to get to October we need pitching upgrades more than we need hitting. Of course, Kim's history against the Yanks is not exactly something a Red Sox fan wants to remember! Quote
catesta Posted May 30, 2003 Report Posted May 30, 2003 I was surprised to see so many mixed opinions on this trade lastnight. On ESPN, Bobby Valentine doesn't think Hillenbrand brings enough to the table. I think it does address the D-Backs problem they have had this year of getting runs in, and the Red Sox needed help with pitching. I was happy to see it done. Quote
Dan Gould Posted May 30, 2003 Report Posted May 30, 2003 If Hillenbrand keeps his batting stroke through the whole season, Arizona will love him. If his average/production continues to trail off and he doesn't show some plate discipline, you'll hang your GM. They're both All-Stars but I do think Kim is a more complete player, meaning that he has all the skills needed to perform at this level while Hillenbrand is still a work in progress. He does have great upside potential. But Kim is already higher up the talent level. Quote
BERIGAN Posted June 26, 2003 Report Posted June 26, 2003 (edited) So....no one cares about baseball anymore??? Strange, I live in Atlanta, and felt like many that John Schuerholz was completely insane trading Millwood for a back-up catcher, letting Glavine(Who started with the Braves) go, yet offering Maddox arbitration so he could get what, 14 Million? Robert Fick as the Braves first baseman? 61 and 63 RBI's the last two seasons? He is going to be the first baseman?Well, That backup catcher is still in AAA because 32 year old Javy Lopez, (Another example of Schuerholz's mental shakiness because he signed him for 2 more years during the offseason, after 11 52, .233) has in just 203 at bats has hit 23 Homers, and has 46 RBIs! Greg Maddox is 6- 7 4.45 . Fick has 42 RBIs even after being on the disabled list....and the Braves Pitching is still great..for the most part, and they are in first place, completely....I really wanted to see the braves do poorly this year so that they would have to use their megabucks to get some pitchers who actually throw faster than the speed limit, so the braves could get past the first and second rounds, and beat the damn Yankees! But, the Braves are hitting homers like I never, ever thought possible, so perhaps the junk the pitchers toss will just throw Soriano, Jeter, etc timing off, and we will win it all Edited June 27, 2003 by BERIGAN Quote
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