Funny Rat

[7/4]

Really? It was only an hour long--not long enough, perhaps, to merit the full-on DVD treatment (I'm assuming that the actual performance was truncated).

That's right, I hear there was three hours of concert.

[P.L.M]

The debate rages over The Topography of the Lungs:

http://www.bagatellen.com/archives/reviews/001305.html

Huh? "The debate rage"?

There is FOUR peoples speaking to each other, trying to decide if it was legit for EVAN PARKER to take full credit for TTOTL.

I could call that, at the best, a friendly discussion, but a DEBATE?

Seems everybody agreed with each other.

The palm goes to WARBURTON who has decided that when NATE's review will be published, FULL credit will be given to each members (PARKER, BAILEY, BENNINK) as equal.

Whao! What an act of courage!

The guy knows to take his responsabilties, really (ouarf).

Edited July 16, 2006 by P.L.M

[P.L.M]

And by the way, PARKER has done the booklet of the CD in a manner who permis "Enthusiasts of original artwork should refold the booklets to show the design for the LP by Avril Hodges incorporating a collage by Alan Johnston."

Choose your side, brothers ans sisters, choose your side.

Edited July 17, 2006 by P.L.M

[David Ayers]

Despite the 'controversy' I would have thought that the clue this is in some sense EP's session is given by the title.

[Nate Dorward]

P.L.M.: wake up on the wrong side of the bed today?

I'm glad that the original artwork's tucked inside the booklet (& I've refolded it on my copy), but of course that doesn't change the spine, the CD label, catalogue entry, or the bad taste left in the mouth about the altered credits. It would have been nice to have an upfront explanation for the change in the liners, too.

[clifford_thornton]

I dunno, maybe it's just that Evan Parker's sort of a dick?

[Guest Chaney]

I dunno, maybe it's just that Evan Parker's sort of a dick?

This certainly sounds plausible.

[P.L.M]

I'm glad that the original artwork's tucked inside the booklet (& I've refolded it on my copy), but of course that doesn't change... the CD label.

The CD label. What is the problem with the CD label?

The CD label should have been INCUS, is that what you try to say?

It must be a joke, NATE.

BAILEY has never try to reissue this one on INCUS like a tone of others records.

Bailey did have no coherent politic about INCUS reedition. Didn't care.

But, sometime, without explanation or coherence, he has given some of his own records under license to obscure label ("AIDA" on DEXTER'S CIGAR is the best exemple).

In fact he had no politic at all, what pisses off more than one person, something that I can very much understand.

Edited July 16, 2006 by P.L.M

[Alexander Hawkins]

I dunno, maybe it's just that Evan Parker's sort of a dick?

This certainly sounds plausible.

I've never found this, although he's less than popular with some people for 'status' reasons...

[jon abbey]

The CD label. What is the problem with the CD label?

pretty sure he's just talking about the names on the CD label, and how I'm guessing there's only one instead of three, like there should be. what's your problem here?

[Nate Dorward]

Yes, I'm just talking about the labelling of the physical CD.

[B. Clugston]

I dunno, maybe it's just that Evan Parker's sort of a dick?

Parker and Bailey split under bad terms. I never got the sense Parker was the "dick," though hopefully someone with greater familiarity of the personalities involved could further enlighten.

[Chuck Nessa]

As usual, Topography is more talked about than listened to!

Bailey and Parker were/are fine fellows, and I'm sure occasional "dicks" though I never experienced that. Be happy the recording is available again and let it go at that.

[Guest Chaney]

Chuck: Maybe you could order us each a copy of Topography?

And after your OJC blowout, no whinging about being short of funds

Edited July 16, 2006 by Chaney

[David Ayers]

On the subject of Funny Rat (you remember that one...), has anybody worked out what tunes Brotzmann is playing? Track 2 is 'Song for Che' (Haden) - he play sit in full at the end. I'm wondering if anyone has identified others (they might just be his own, one-offs of course)?

Edited July 16, 2006 by David Ayers

[Chuck Nessa]

Chuck: Maybe you could order us each a copy of Topography?

And after your OJC blowout, no whinging about being short of funds

Don't remember "whinging" about anything. My problem is not $100.

[Guest Chaney]

On the subject of Funny Rat (you remember that one...), has anybody worked out what tunes Brotzmann is playing? Track 2 is 'Song for Che' (Haden) - he play sit in full at the end. I'm wondering if anyone has identified others (they might just be his own, one-offs of course)?

Wish I could help but I sold Funny Rat on eBay several months ago.

[clifford_thornton]

As usual, Topography is more talked about than listened to!

Who wants to do an AOTW of it? I don't have the extra tracks, as I only have it on LP.

For me, it hasn't had the impact that other sides from the period with similar personnel have had, but that's my personal feeling. It does get a lot of "talk," probably much of that having to do with the fact that it went so long without being reissued. I know it's not that similar to records like Nipples, Karyobin and Ichnos, but I've gotten much more mileage out of those...

Edited July 16, 2006 by clifford_thornton

[David Ayers]

Wish I could help but I sold Funny Rat on eBay several months ago.

Hey and you started this darn thread!

I realise it fell out of favor a bit on this board but I like it! At least as much a Hano record as a Brotzmann one. London's Sound 323 still list it on their website at £10.99 (which is where I got it in the early days of the thread) so it is an easy find this side of the pond for anyone still interested. Did anyone have a report on Hano's solo '48' on the same Improvised Music from Japan label? I seem to remember seeing a mention...

[Geoff]

I dunno, maybe it's just that Evan Parker's sort of a dick?

This certainly sounds plausible.

he seemed like a really nice guy when I met him a few years ago.

[king ubu]

Thinking of another CD baby order... anyone can tell me about the following discs?

VLADIMIR VOLKOV, SERGEI KURIOKHIN, KESHAVAN MASLAK: jet lag

TRI-O (SERGEI LETOV, ARKADY SHILKLOPER...): trialogue

PAOLO ANGELI / HAMID DRAKE: uotha

LISLE ELLIS, MARCO ENEIDI, PETER VALSAMIS: sound on survival live

HERMANN BUHLER: alto solo

DICK GRIFFIN: a dream for rashaan

BUTCHER / MASAOKA / ROBAIR: guerrilla mosaics

They all look at least interesting! I think David has mentioned Buhler positively a few times, so I'll go for that one. I've heard bits of the Angeli/Drake on radio (it was broadcast live before it came out on CD) and quite liked it. The other ones I know nothing of...

[P.L.M]

Yes, I'm just talking about the labelling of the physical CD.

So, I'm sorry that I missread you.

"Label" means "Label Record" for me.

Put this on the fact that I'm not much fluent in english.

As you has guess not my native langage.

[Guest Chaney]

Thinking of another CD baby order... anyone can tell me about the following discs?

VLADIMIR VOLKOV, SERGEI KURIOKHIN, KESHAVAN MASLAK: jet lag

TRI-O (SERGEI LETOV, ARKADY SHILKLOPER...): trialogue

PAOLO ANGELI / HAMID DRAKE: uotha

LISLE ELLIS, MARCO ENEIDI, PETER VALSAMIS: sound on survival live

HERMANN BUHLER: alto solo

DICK GRIFFIN: a dream for rashaan

BUTCHER / MASAOKA / ROBAIR: guerrilla mosaics

They all look at least interesting! I think David has mentioned Buhler positively a few times, so I'll go for that one. I've heard bits of the Angeli/Drake on radio (it was broadcast live before it came out on CD) and quite liked it. The other ones I know nothing of...

I have only Guerrilla Mosaics and it's been a while since I've listened to it. I'll give it a spin tonight and post an impression.

Edited July 17, 2006 by Chaney

[Д.Д.]

Thinking of another CD baby order... anyone can tell me about the following discs?

VLADIMIR VOLKOV, SERGEI KURIOKHIN, KESHAVAN MASLAK: jet lag

TRI-O (SERGEI LETOV, ARKADY SHILKLOPER...): trialogue

PAOLO ANGELI / HAMID DRAKE: uotha

LISLE ELLIS, MARCO ENEIDI, PETER VALSAMIS: sound on survival live

HERMANN BUHLER: alto solo

DICK GRIFFIN: a dream for rashaan

BUTCHER / MASAOKA / ROBAIR: guerrilla mosaics

They all look at least interesting! I think David has mentioned Buhler positively a few times, so I'll go for that one. I've heard bits of the Angeli/Drake on radio (it was broadcast live before it came out on CD) and quite liked it. The other ones I know nothing of...

Flurin, I assume you checked out the samples on the CD baby website - they are normally quite generous, so you can get a more-or-less clear picture what to expect.

So, Bühler is excellent. Sort of a delicate extended technicues solo thing. Get it without hesitation.

Tri-O is good, but not as good as their later incarnations. Eneidi disc I don't have but you can download huge sound samples of various live performances of this trio from here.

Butcher - Masaoka - Robair I used to like a lot, but now, having heard more solo Butcher, this is definitely not on that level. Masaoka is quite an incoherent imprivisor (doing these pretty but mindless decorative koto splaches most of the time), and the whole thing is not very focused (atypically for Butcher).

If you need more CD Baby recommendations, I suggest you get this, and this, and this as well. And get the Vapirov disc.

Edited July 17, 2006 by Д.Д.

[Guest Chaney]

I'm not sure I understand what Butcher's solo play has to do with evaluating his performance in a group. Is it just that you prefer when he plays alone?